"Everyone whos been complaining about summoners read this"

[Akiza]

Black Mage isn't a button masher nuke it requires managing procs to limit DPS loss on move. If anything Summomer is the button mashing DoT class spamming ruin. After opening rotation all they can do is spam ruin.

[SpookyGhost]

SMN's filler is Ruin1/Ruin2, BLM's filler is T1/T2/B1, DRG's filler is FT combo, MNK's filler is BS -> True -> Snap, etc. etc.

Every class has filler. SMN is a DoT class, your focus is on maintaining those DoTs and then using Ruins when you have nothing else to do.

[pandabearcat]

BLM's filler is their entire rotation aside from thunder procs, if you consider "using one spell over and over" to be filler.

BLM's "filler" therefore far more than SMN do, considering that you get maybe 2 ruins off before you should be doing something else.

Also actually having to manage mana, summon placement, etc and its a lot of work for not much profit.

[Sequora]

I wish I could read Japanese, they have a thread over there that's like 90 pages long that complains about SMN.

[Akiza]

I wish I could read Japanese, they have a thread over there that's like 90 pages long that complains about SMN.

That's probably the reason Summoner is getting heavily reworked because the Japanese players had 90 pages of suggestions to fix Summoner.

[Sequora]

That's probably the reason Summoner is getting heavily reworked because the Japanese players had 90 pages of suggestions to fix Summoner.

I mean yeah probably, but I'm not complaining. I guess I'm curious to read some of the ideas of Japanese players you know? I did lolgoogletranslate and some of their posts make sense. They complain about a lot of the same things we do. I've seen things from the look of egi's to gameplay mechanics, but google translate is a joke.

[Dyvid]

I wish I could read Japanese, they have a thread over there that's like 90 pages long that complains about SMN.

Well they are also different when it comes to the forums. They usually keep one thread going on the same subject opposed to dozens of threads that we have on the same subject.

[Sequora]

Well they are also different when it comes to the forums. They usually keep one thread going on the same subject opposed to dozens of threads that we have on the same subject.

Even still. If you look at their DPS forums, there isn't a single other thread that has as many replies. It's clearly not just NA players that have a problem with it. I did see a picture attached to one post where they posted the MMO Aeon version of a SMN. Their pet started out small, but as the character leveled up, their pets got bigger and more detailed. They clearly have a lot of the same complaints as we do. SE has to listen to their playerbase. Even if the team who created summoner loves the way it plays, it's better to listen to your fans if enough people are upset about it.

[Greven]

Players asked for many different things, we'll see which one are going to get real :P

[Minorinz]

I think when they said it'll get "heavily reworked" they meant simple CD adjustments and pet roles. I honestly doubt it's that serious. The current basic idea of a summoner will stay the same. Also, I doubt there will be any aoe burst damage being added to compete with a blm, but I do see better single target burst damage being superior to a blm.

edit: not to mention a possible party support role since new pets!!