Ninja BiS Question

[Stormshift]

Hey all,
I am a bit confused when it comes to figuring out what I should focus on getting to have the BiS for DPS with my Ninja.

You can view my current gear from the lodestone here or Ariyala's Site here.

Now as you can see, I currently have the i110 Arachne HQ set, along with the i110 HQ crafted jewelry, all with various melds.

Now I know you want to get at least 435 Accuracy, and I could easily hit that by Overmelding a few of my remaining pieces, but before I invested any more Gil into my current gear I wanted to make sure I had everything right.

I've read a few forum posts, and some people say the BiS for Ninja is a mix of Ironworks/Dread.. and then I read another post of people saying the i110 Arachne HQ set fully overmelded is the BiS for NIN... and that's where I get confused.

I've used Ariyalas BiS Solver, and using the default Ninja weights it tells me to go with the Ironworks/Dread mix. While I understand that for the armor, more dex/hp/def, I don't understand it for the Jewelry, as the stats for the i130 Ironworks jewelry seems subpar to me.

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According to Ariyala, using the Iron/Dread mix gives the following stats: 650 Dex, 538 Accuracy, 557 Critical, 242 Determination, 487 Skill Speed, 6539HP.

Now granted, I am missing a few from the couple Overmelds I don't have yet, but I can always add those in.
Comparing that to my current stats: 560 Dex, 501 Accuracy, 604 Critical, 373 Determination, 398 Skill Speed, 5432HP.

Going with the i130 set means I will:
Gain 90~ Dex
Accuracy is the same either way. Cap regardless.
Lose 70~ Crit
Lose 100~ Determ
Gain 80~ Skill Speed
Gain 1000~+ HP

Reading that should give you insight on why I am confused,.. does the extra dex/skill speed really outweigh the loss of all that crit and det to give you better DPS? The extra 1k HP is just for extra survival.

Any tips/info would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
-Storm

PS. Sorry for Edits/Deletes, for some reason my original post only had a 1000 character limit, so I had to make multiple posts. Weird.

[Ricdeau]

That kind of dex gain is going to trump the stat losses you'd incur. If you click on the BiS solver button you'll see some stat weights on there. They are not correct right now, but they are still going to give you insight as just how heavily your main stat is weighted. The only real i110 pieces that are going to be close or potentially beat an i130 are crafted 5x materia melds using almost exclusively rank IV materia to maximize secondary stats to compensate for the dex loss (your pieces are not optimally melded). Even then with the data being uncovered with main stat to det relationship it sounds as though even fewer crafted pieces may truly be BiS.

[Stormshift]

Makes sense, I thought it would be strange for the i110 set to be better then the i130 set, otherwise it wouldn't be i110.. lol.
Now, I know it worked for the crafting set, the i60 set melded beats out the i70 Artisans set... so I wondered if that was the same case for the combat jobs.

I know a few of my pieces aren't optimized meld-wise, Someone posted almost the full set of i110 gear melded with everything you see for LESS then what people were selling the HQ pieces without any melds for. It was a hella good deal. For example, the Arachne HQ chest-piece sells for around 1.25mil on average, I got it with 2x IV Crit and 3x III crit for 1mil. Damn near every piece I have on was setup and priced like that.

My plan was, IF the i110 was truly the BiS for NIN, then I would go ahead and re-meld the pieces as necessary with the optimal materia. Although it was going to be a costly endeavor, since it would be BiS for my main job, I would go ahead and do it. Since my company has a fully furnished Mansion now, there's not much else I have to spend Gil on, besides saving for a future Airship or working on crafters.

Though the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Having 600+Crit and 400+Det would give me a lot of crits.. while it may be nice... 1 Dex = 1 Attack Power. So in the end, I might crit less often, but I'll hit harder when I do... along with the fact my non-crit DPS will be a lot higher.

If anyone has any other input, do tell! I'd appreciate it!

[Lyrinn]

1 Dex ~= 3 Det ~= 4 Crit. Even at a 1:3 ratio, 90 Dex is worth 270 substats, which is >> than the 170 total you're losing and that's not even counting SkS.

[Krindor]

There are 2 pieces of i110 crafted that I know are the BiS slot for NIN, belt and ring. But the rest of the poetics/DW pieces are BiS except for some crafting that might give a arguable increase in damage.

[Truedragon]

When the crafted gear first came out, poetics were limited and upgradable carbontwines were also limited. So basically all i110 crafted were competing against i120. Which they easily beat.

Now, with poetics gear being upgraded, you are comparing crafted against i130. Which is a different story. SE arent removing the maximum poetics ceiling which means secondary jobs down the line would still not be instantly maxed geared. This makes WoD i120 valuable for a lot of secondary jobs. And this also means crafted gear are still viable.

Some crafted pieces are better than even i130 gear. So these will also be good untill new gear comes out.
For ninja, the feet, belt are BiS. Easily.

Regarding arachne shirt, valued at 57.9 compared to 61 for ironworks shirt. Difference aint that bad at all especially compared with other options. Also early on when noone has the ironwork shirt, let alone upgraded, you can easily see why arachne is the best option. For someone like me, whose ninja is only a secondary job, I need like 875 poetics to get the ironworks which is 2 weeks of waiting. That is assuming that I am getting it for ninja because I also have other jobs that require ironworks. Arachne still beats out WoD shirt. No contest there.

Dreadwyrm shirt isnt even an option. Technically it is valued highest but since it is missing out 33 acc that you highly need and get from ironworks, you cant even use dreadwyrm. I still see people use it and they think they are BiS too. Thats the sad part. They dont even understand that in order to still have enough acc, they have to sacrifice it elsewhere and have shitty replacements elsewhere just because they run dreadwyrm shirt...The overall difference is negated by the fact that they run lesser gear in other parts to make up for the shirt and thus lower deeps. Bottomline is this. For shirt, your real 2 options are Ironworks and Arachne but poetics is limited and arachne can be bought easily.


Regarding accessories, some pieces are BiS. But this is different than left side because you can also use it for Bard. If you have a Bard like I do, then it becomes economical to see which accessory can also be used. What you want to look for is accessories that are 1) BiS for both jobs. If not possible, then 2) BiS for 1 job, and second BiS for other job. If this is not attainable either, then 3) second BiS for both jobs.

Fortunately, for Ninja and Bard, its not that difficult choice. Most pieces are BiS for both.

[Stormshift]

So what pieces of i110 Crafted gear would you say is BiS if fully melded? The belt, boots and ring? I thought the i130 gear was a bit better.

I'm trying to figure out what parts of the ironworks set I should be spending my poetics on... and which parts of the i110 crafted set I should hold onto and overmeld. Then whatever I'm not going to overmeld or buy with poetics, I'll fill the remaining slots with coil gear.

[Krindor]

So what pieces of i110 Crafted gear would you say is BiS if fully melded? The belt, boots and ring? I thought the i130 gear was a bit better.

I'm trying to figure out what parts of the ironworks set I should be spending my poetics on... and which parts of the i110 crafted set I should hold onto and overmeld. Then whatever I'm not going to overmeld or buy with poetics, I'll fill the remaining slots with coil gear.

The crafted belt and ring are definitive BiS, both the ring and belt have quite bad stats, belt having acc SkS and ring having det(good but low amount) SkS(The higher amount). With grade 4 materia on the belt you loose 4 accuracy and 5 dex but gain 19 crit, 12 det and 4 SkS where just the crit + det gives more value than the lost dex. As for the ring you gain 18 accuracy, 18 crit, 2 det and 13 SkS and here the crit + accuracy(which is quite needed by Nin) makes the difference.

As for the boots it can give an arguable difference with and increase of <1 dex.

With poetics you definitely want to get chest, legs, neck, ring. Depending on which weapon you're using you'll want to use either the DW or IW boots due to the accuracy difference.

[Truedragon]

Yknow it only takes like an hour max to figure out what your options are and which are BiS...

But since im in a good mood today.

Head: Dreadwyrm
Body: Ironworks
Hands: Dreadwyrm
belt: Kirimu
Legs: Ironworks
Feet: Kirimu

[Truedragon]

Now that I have taken a second look at it, I would even go with crafted hands over dreadwyrm. Even the crafted head is a good alternative over dreadwyrm head.