Cerberus DPS Method - It Needs To Be Said. . .

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

First off, I'm well aware that it works. That isn't up to debate here, so please don't.

BUT. . .

If it takes 15 DPS to do what is easily a 5 man job, we have much bigger problems. And after careful scrutiny, I can safely say the All DPS in method really isn't any faster than having one alliance team get eaten and do their part from the inside. The key aspect is both having good DPS and EVERYONE doing their part when inside, of course.

It might be "foolproof" (now THAT is debatable), but that doesn't make it more effective at all.

[MXMoondoggie]

Faster just depends on the DPS inside zerging is just the method with the highest chance of working quickly but it really depends on a few factors mainly how quickly the DPS get inside I've seen some really dumb placements of gastric juice or tons of DPS not stacking on the person with the target when they move away from the boss (hopefully and if the Tank has the boss positioned correctly so nobody gets tail swiped or cleaved in the slabber or gastric juice). I wouldn't call it foolproof if anything sending one team inside is safer because you have more people outside to deal with adds and chains but i honestly think that the OT's can easily hold 3 adds for 20-30 seconds with 6 healers for support while 2 healers get chains (Just easier because other healers are less likely to heal them randomly) while the DPS clean up outside.

It's something I'd kind of want to see side by side with the same raid trying both methods so the skill level and gear is exactly the same to see which one kills the boss faster overall. I think the "all in" method is simply easier to deal with because in DF you always get people who whine because they want to go inside or the belly team is going in and some people just get mini and follow anyway because "I do what i want!" so at least if you send them all to do the same job you can hopefully trust them to do the job they were assigned and not just do whatever they feel like.

[Tanthalus]

Did you decide to write this up after maybe 3 attempts in WoD?
5 people inside the belly CAN do the work...15 just do it 100% faster. Once it's established that the OT can grab up all the wolfsbane adds then it just makes sense to send all dps in to work out the guts in 30 seconds rather than 3 minutes.
And for the record it's technically the more reckless method as your trusting the tanks and heals to stay out and stay alive.

[MXMoondoggie]

And for the record it's technically the more reckless method as your trusting the tanks and heals to stay out and stay alive.

It is but if your Tanks and Heals are even half competent they can manage it. Though I've had some healers who die then whine about it then I'm trying to explain that when the slabber is going to hit you really don't want any regens and medica II up because it will stack aggro from the adds really fast and a Tank can spam everything and sometimes still not peel it so you really want to switch to single target heals while the adds are spawning and being picked up and they didn't understand how that six healers would keep the MT alive without using regens for like 20 seconds it was kind of depressing lol.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Did you decide to write this up after maybe 3 attempts in WoD?
5 people inside the belly CAN do the work...15 just do it 100% faster. Once it's established that the OT can grab up all the wolfsbane adds then it just makes sense to send all dps in to work out the guts in 30 seconds rather than 3 minutes.
And for the record it's technically the more reckless method as your trusting the tanks and heals to stay out and stay alive.

I wrote this because the idea has bothered me ever since I started seeing people using such an overkill tactic. The only way 15 DPS can do it faster is through solid coordination (which, let's be real here, doesn't usually happen in ANY Tower raid), but the same can be said for 5 good DPS. Not to mention, 2 OTs can neither mitigate, nor kill a Wolfsbane, especially with healers working harder to keep them alive AND not pull aggro from them. . . It usually results in a massacre.

Strategically, you're sending all your troops in and leaving no one to guard your fort, figuratively speaking. . . Just because it's faster (it isn't) doesn't mean it's safer or more effective.

EDIT: I know I'm just stirring the hive by saying this, but this is pretty similar to the "tank the bone dragon to the north" tactic that's been debated before. Don't change the intended methods for poor/ignorant players, make the players learn how to do it both right and effectively.

[Tanthalus]

I wrote this

To completely dismantle what you just said..
Tanks...you know the GUARDS of the fort?...are NOT supposed to go in the belly. If they can effectively grab the three wolfsbane that spawn then all is well in the world.
You don't need dps on the outside and furthermore you pour enough water on a fire and it goes out. So no you don't need full coordination if 15 people get in his stomach. You don't even need solid dps at that point. You arguing against yourself since putting 5 instead of 15 requires MORE coordination and MORE time in his gut which means you need a healer in there to handle cures against the stacking debuff and for QoL a tank to handle the adds that are going to do that much more dmg with the stomach walls taking that much longer to down.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Without having bothered to read whatever it is you just replied with (meaning, I opened the topic and immediately just went to "Reply to Thread") I just want to point out that my last post here before your most recent one was exactly seven days ago.

Clearly, you need something better to do, man. This wasn't even on the first page anymore.

[Sousoulsu]

Without having bothered to read whatever it is you just replied with (meaning, I opened the topic and immediately just went to "Reply to Thread") I just want to point out that my last post here before your most recent one was exactly seven days ago.

Clearly, you need something better to do, man. This wasn't even on the first page anymore.

I check replies by searching by My Posts.
You're always good for a laugh. :3 Particularly enjoy how you ignore any post of mine that unarguably thrashes any point you're trying to make.

[Iagainsti]

I check replies by searching by My Posts.
You're always good for a laugh. :3 Particularly enjoy how you ignore any post of mine that unarguably thrashes any point you're trying to make.

My Love/Hate relationship with Sousoulsu grows with each post like this, more on the Love side now #WCW

[Flipside101]

Depends on the amount of bad dps in the group.

No really, it is. no amount of good strategy stands up to DPS that can pump no more than 250 dps. What SE did was make ST a faceroll in terms of mechanics - and even then, EVEN AT CURRENT GEAR LEVEL - AT LEAST i100 on tertiary alts - there is that rare occasion of wipes. WoD reintroduced a slightly higher difficulty, SLIGHT, like a smudge worth of difficulty, and people suddenly can't just smash buttons to play properly. I guess people really expect to just AFK and get carried in 28-man fights because it was permissible on ST.