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    Quote Originally Posted by dragoelete View Post
    whats stopping an elemental from outside Gridania from making someone a padjal?
    At the moment, the fairy-like Elementals (the ones who appeared to have cognizance, as opposed to sprites) have only been seen in the Black Shroud since the Calamity, and very, vary rarely. Before the Calamity, however, they were sighted across the realm, at times. As far as we know, the Padjal, however, exist only due to the Pact of Gelmorra, made between the proto-Gridanians and the elemental spirits of the Twelveswood. Those forced to live underground after the Sixth Umbral Era (Water) developed the use of conjury to communicate with the Elementals and beseech their forgiveness and permission to once again dwell above the surface. As part of this accord, the Elementals began to make Padjal to act as their intermediaries and the inheritors of white magic. They can bend that last part and give non-padjali-non-Gridanians white magic, but Padjali chosen by the wood are forbidden to use their powers in conflict, and the Elementals outside the wood aren't part of the accord by which Padjal are made.

    You'd need to find an Elemental and find convince it to take you seriously while you say, "You know the Pact of Gelmorra? I want to look like that. I don't want to be forced to stay in one place or be forbidden to take place in combat, and what contact we have and whether I'm your intermediary is kind of negotiable, but I just want to look like that." What's a reason that the Elementals outside the Shroud would agree to make you an imposter of their neighbors chosen?

    I'm sure it'd be possible to warp the world that hard, but the chances are, at the moment, kind of slim that SE would acquiesce to that request.
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    I have a good question regarding that eye symbol: Why does it look so much like the Yevon symbol fused with a vague outline of Zodiark (the esper)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar View Post
    I have a good question regarding that eye symbol: Why does it look so much like the Yevon symbol fused with a vague outline of Zodiark (the esper)?
    Because Zodiark is the embodiment of our sins, and though we may earn respite through the noble and selfless sacrifice of an Archon who completes the pilgrimage, so long as we continue to sin he can never truly be defeated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Because Zodiark is the embodiment of our sins, and though we may earn respite through the noble and selfless sacrifice of an Archon who completes the pilgrimage, so long as we continue to sin he can never truly be defeated.
    we don't know that yet ... for all we know he could rlly be a primal created by the ascians... (would explain the fanatic zealotry to him)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragoelete View Post
    we don't know that yet ... for all we know he could rlly be a primal created by the ascians... (would explain the fanatic zealotry to him)
    Ascians know everything about Primal summoning, they wouldn't worship a false a god and would have no trouble creating a Zodiark primal I'm sure, if anything Zodiark is a Warring Divinity / Eikon / True God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragoelete View Post
    personally i would have preferred if they brought the padjal race (the race of the seedseer's and the leader of the conjurer's guild) rather than the au ra...
    Thing is Padjal isnt a race. The Elementals personally choose a select few to be Padjals and they are always uncredibly few in number becauae od that. So it wouldnt make sense lore was for them to be a playable race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    Thing is Padjal isnt a race. The Elementals personally choose a select few to be Padjals and they are always uncredibly few in number becauae od that. So it wouldnt make sense lore was for them to be a playable race.
    then whatever the race is that looks like an elezen/hyur with horns...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragoelete View Post
    then whatever the race is that looks like an elezen/hyur with horns...
    Padjal are Hyur-born and only chosen from specific bloodlines, the Pesi and Senna family being among those. And as Kaiser said, they will never be playable. Your best bet at replicating a Padjal would be to roll a Hyur and pick up some antlers from the next christmas event.
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    Last edited by treuhavik; 07-16-2015 at 11:22 PM.

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    Player Kaiser-Ace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragoelete View Post
    but whats stopping an elemental from outside Gridania from making someone a padjal? i somewhat doubt that elementals only reside in the gridanian forest...
    The elementals that exist out side the shroud are even weaker. Theh wernt as strong as the shroud's to begin with so the calamity may have out right destroyed alot of them. If the Shroud's elementals were dangerously weakened I'd hate to think what happened to the ones out side of the shroud.
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    Are you forgetting A-Towa-Cant, the wandering padjal? He left the shroud to talk to elementals in every corner of Eorzea. Doesn't sound that different from adventuring when you think about it.
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