Manly Looking Characters

[Magis]

Everyone has testosterone. Some just have more then others. It's really not as cut and dry as you think it is. Labeling body hair as masculine is societal in nature. Labeling anything masculine or feminine is the same.

If my post sounded like I was saying women didn't have testosterone, then I apologize. It is still required for muscle development and other functions. However, my point was men had far greater quantities than women. Here are the averages by age:

http://www.healthline.com/health/low...e#Adolescence3

This isn't a "some might have more or less", this is a vast difference between both sexes after puberty hits (when the major features of what looks feminine and masculine appear).

I don't know why I am arguing basic biology on a MMO forum, this is a strange topic to talk about here of all places.

[Arixtotle]

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My point is really that that is only averages and there are women with high testosterone and men with low testosterone and those people should not be excluded. Anything a man does is masculine and anything a woman does is feminine. We should not attribute arbitrary values to people for it always excludes people. Everyone has body hair. While the amount is very dependent on testosterone it is not dependent on if you are a man or a woman. I know it seems kind of like semantics but it is very important for many people's self worth for us to get away from such arbitrary values. Many people treat biology as if it deals with absolutes which is far from the truth.

[VanilleFang]

I don't see what everyone's problems are. All he wants is more face and body hair options. And the whole deal with females and body hair... There are very, very few games where females have body hair options regardless of how many the males have.

[Gilraen]

Well, yes, there should be no issues but everyone keeps looking at the discussion from the point of view of their countries of origin, forgetting where and who are responsible for this game. In the US body hair is manly and we've got anecdote after anecdote about things that puts hair on chests. But, again, this isn't made in the US. It's made in Japan, and is subject to that way of thinking.

[VanilleFang]

Well, yes, there should be no issues but everyone keeps looking at the discussion from the point of view of their countries of origin, forgetting where and who are responsible for this game. In the US body hair is manly and we've got anecdote after anecdote about things that puts hair on chests. But, again, this isn't made in the US. It's made in Japan, and is subject to that way of thinking.

I suppose that's true.

I know this may not be much but have you ever looked at the picture of the title male hyur? The detail is pretty amazing and if you look at his exposed chest area he has some faint chest hair poking out.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...0/00/HyurM.png

So in reality SE has designed a male with chest hair already. We just don't have any in game.

[Terrini]

I suppose that's true.

I know this may not be much but have you ever looked at the picture of the title male hyur? The detail is pretty amazing and if you look at his exposed chest area he has some faint chest hair poking out.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...0/00/HyurM.png

So in reality SE has designed a male with chest hair already. We just don't have any in game.

I don't see any body hair in that picture on the chest... Just armor shadows.

[VanilleFang]

I don't see any body hair in that picture on the chest... Just armor shadows.

Seriously? Did you zoom in? Like I said, it's faint, but it's there.


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Tsk. I'm not allowed to post anymore. Daily Post Limit reached. Fun. But anyway.

If I'm just imagining things I'm curious as to wait these are then? veins? Wrinkles? It looks like hair to me.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94...s.png~original

[Terrini]

Seriously? Did you zoom in? Like I said, it's faint, but it's there.

I really don't think pixelation on super zoom of a small image equates to hair because super zoom us just shadow pixelation.

[Riepah]

Seriously? Did you zoom in? Like I said, it's faint, but it's there.

I zoomed in now and I think it's your imagination - I can't make out any body hair either.

[dekal]

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I think that people are talking in regards to that. We are playing in a game that is not from US. We know that Japanese people won't see a hairy body as aesthetic, yet the OP want it that way. That is why my suggestion of sending a letter to their office/website. He excluded female character, and some girls will argue or just say that's unfair because they are having the same role. I think in my previous I posted it. I srly haven't see a video game that put that detail in their characters like body hair at least those charatcers are beast races. Now a days u only see hairy man as masculine when they have buff muscles. I haven't see any movie where an athletic look man have hair.