Fan Census: This is embarrassing

[m3eansean]

It's full Japanese server completion of FCOB vs full US/EU server completion of FCOB. It's not skewed at all. It's the same measure on both sides. The only skew is that the Japanese have 5x the completion rate as the US/EU servers.

I'm pretty sure Tiggy the only metric they used was the reward players get by speaking to Jonathas in Old Grid after completing t13. I dont have the time to double-check but I think I remember reading early in this thread that is how they gauged who had completed FCOB. So there are likely players who completed and never spoke to Jonathas again, and the numbers may be a bit lower than they actually are.

[RyuRoots]

I feel neither pathetic nor embarrassed. But then again, I hold no special regard for titles related to pixels and my e-peen requires no stroking.

This so, so much. Not sure why people care at all what other people do or don't clear anyway outside of very immediately wanting friends to help them with stuff.

[Crystel_Leah]

I'll rephrase. I'm embarrassed to be a part of a community wherein I feel shamed into helping other people beat T5 because their FCs and LSs are strictly social chat rooms and seemingly few people want to actually play the game.

[Imoye]

I'll rephrase. I'm embarrassed to be a part of a community wherein I feel shamed into helping other people beat T5 because their FCs and LSs are strictly social chat rooms and seemingly few people want to actually play the game.

Since when was raiding the only way to play the game?

If they're in an FC not doing relevant content, then they're in the wrong FC. Switch. Never been a problem to get anything down if you truly want to.

[Crystel_Leah]

Since when was raiding the only way to play the game?

If they're in an FC not doing relevant content, then they're in the wrong FC. Switch. Never been a problem to get anything down if you truly want to.

A problem for who? You? Then I'm not talking about you. Discuss without being dismissive and I'll do the same.

[Eye_Gore]

It's full Japanese server completion of FCOB vs full US/EU server completion of FCOB. It's not skewed at all.

What I'm sayin is the numbers do not reflect the ability of any player as this whole thread pretty much turned into a NA player base bash, based on those numbers. What we do not know is how many people actually participate in the aforementioned instance.

I'll use my server as an example Malboro .8%. Now is that number based on my entire server population? Say that only .8% of server have completed it, or is it .8% of the whole of everyone that has attempted it? The numbers are being used to gauge the NA player base, but we have nothing to compare it to. If say .9% of my server attempted the instance and .8% have completed it I would say thats pretty good. If my whole server has attempted it and only .8% completed it, yeah thats bad. However I know for a fact the latter is not true.

[Tiggy]

I'm pretty sure Tiggy the only metric they used was the reward players get by speaking to Jonathas in Old Grid after completing t13. I dont have the time to double-check but I think I remember reading early in this thread that is how they gauged who had completed FCOB. So there are likely players who completed and never spoke to Jonathas again, and the numbers may be a bit lower than they actually are.

That's correct, but the same criteria was used on both servers clusters so it's not biased one way or the other. Just as there are some on our servers that don't get the pet there are some on their servers that don't get the pet.


@Eye_Gore: That's true it doesn't count everyone who's done partial completion of coil at the time. However, both the Japanese servers and NA/EU servers in this instance share the same methodology so it's not skewed specifically one way or another to favor a specific group. The numbers were clear that it was about FCOB full clears and in that regard the numbers speak to a very clear difference between the two server clusters. Having partial numbers would also be very interesting to see in addition to this, but it doesn't negate the clear difference in full clears that we can see from this data. Regardless of how many partial clears there are the fact is they have, from the methodology used anyway, 5x the total clears we do. That's a statistically significant difference.

[Magusrex]

I'll rephrase. I'm embarrassed to be a part of a community wherein I feel shamed into helping other people beat T5 because their FCs and LSs are strictly social chat rooms and seemingly few people want to actually play the game.

Don't be embarrassed, you are privileged to play with such an evolved NA player base. Many of us have led large guilds in other games for over a decade. We have been there and done that. Our cheese has been moved enough. We have settled into this game because there is so much to do without raiding and statics that provide us with satisfaction and enjoyment. Don't think you are special because you completed all the raiding in this game just like I am not special because I crushed all the raiding EQ1, WoW, LOTRO and EQ2 had to offer when they first came out. I could claim it was harder, but it wasn't, it was all about the time invested. Yeah, near server first's felt good, but it was just a function of time spent, DKP tracking, parse studying, strat posting, loot drama ect. It is all the same, move here, move there, heal him, interrupt that, caster tank for this, raid dance that...blah blah blah. It is just timing, practice and time invested. No one is special or better than anyone else because time investment choice, you just have different priorities.

[Crystel_Leah]

Don't think you are special because you completed all the raiding in this game just like I am not special because I crushed all the raiding EQ1, WoW, LOTRO and EQ2 had to offer when they first came out. I could claim it was harder, but it wasn't, it was all about the time invested. Yeah, near server first's felt good, but it was just a function of time spent, DKP tracking, parse studying, strat posting, loot drama ect. It is all the same, move here, move there, heal him, interrupt that, caster tank for this, raid dance that...blah blah blah. It is just timing, practice and time invested. No one is special or better than anyone else because time investment choice, you just have different priorities.

I have not completed all the raids. What are your priorities? Curious.

[Magusrex]

I have not completed all the raids. What are your priorities? Curious.

They change, last priority was increasing my wealth to a buy a FC House. While doing that I worked on gathering and crafting. So right now I am focused on becoming an artisan crafter. This the first game I enjoy crafting, it is a puzzle. I love creating crafting macros and changing them as I get new cross class skills and more CP. I have geared 4 jobs well enough for expansion (WHM,PLD,WAR and BLM), So I am OK there, story is done for the most part, completed Steps. I have 4 Crafters to 50, going to add Goldsmith next for innovation. I still join some CT runs in DF and some EX Primals. I used to play to measure myself against others individuals and guilds.

I like competition, thrill of that is gone for gaming now though, doesn't matter what game, I know I can do it, it just takes time and dedication my skills are not special. Once you spend years organizing and recruiting guilds for the sole purpose of defeating cutting edge content it can become like a job. The higher you go, the more talented the raider required and even with intense interviewing and application processes you get some Aholes. So now, my priority is to have fun, what that means to me is limited responsibilities and doing what I want, when I want. I like to play in short blocks of times that are not scheduled, real life will never be scheduled around a game again.