Fan Census: This is embarrassing

[Chukkaque]

Im not going to play FFXIV competitively. I play for the story and to complete new content with my wife FOR FUN. We enjoy doing end game raids and getting gear FOR FUN. I have no interest in "competing" with other servers for something so minimal. Especially since there's no "server" bonus.

[Kleptobrainiac]

Well, one of you is gonna have to carry me through then. So who's it gonna be?

I also need some gil. Fork it over, you over achievers.

[mirta000]

The embarrassing part is not the data itself, it is the reasoning behind it. As others have stated, people in NA are so prone to rage quitting, me me me mentality, obscene requirements to get in a party, selling clears, unwilling to help without getting something in return, etc. etc. that it's no wonder why the numbers are what they are.

but they're comparing the whole population. How many Japanese players raid total and how many American/European players raid total? You could complain about players having a bad mentality if there was even remotely the same amount of raiders, but looking at statistics I would very much doubt it.

[Evergrey]

but they're comparing the whole population. How many Japanese players raid total and how many American/European players raid total? You could complain about players having a bad mentality if there was even remotely the same amount of raiders, but looking at statistics I would very much doubt it.

Perhaps there would be more raiders if people were more willing to help each others out.
I for one would like to raid, but the harsh treatment people do get when trying to learn keeps alot of people away from trying to raid.
I am a good learner and learn fairly fast, but with all the "1 fail = kick" people out there, how would anyone even manage to learn? Watch a tutorial video? Sure, but that won't really help when you are actually in there.

[Lori]

That insulting, considering there only two server types NA and JP. Cause EU servers are still technically NA servers.

Ok.

/10char.

[SarcasmMisser]

Tonberry representing, looks like we are actually a pretty good server. Never regretted transferring from NA.

[Obysuca]

This is embarrassing. We should be doing better than this. They play the exact same game as us and we aren't even competitive compared to them.

Pretty sure someone's said it before, but basing it on my own experience playing with Japanese players on various mmos, the advantage they have over us is that 80% of NA/EU players whine, rage quit and throw fits if it's not done in a single run or if someone makes a simple mistake or they just don't have any interest in learning and expect to be carried, which ends up bringing down good groups. Japanese players tend to actually stick with it and learn the fight (from my experiences at least, maybe not all, but a good portion do). I've yet to see JP players ragequit over a single mistake like NA/EU players do or expect to be carried.

Another example of how NA/EU players are bad, remember Steps of faith? lol Such an easy fight but such stupid people not listening making it "hard" and wiping for hours.



Tl;dr - NA/EU players are lazy, "WE DIDN'T WIN ON A SINGLE TRY? /LEAVE", "OMG YOU SUCK FOR A SIMPLE MISTAKE! /LEAVE" types of people. JP put in more effort to learn a fight and don't expect to be carried.

Perhaps there would be more raiders if people were more willing to help each others out.
I for one would like to raid, but the harsh treatment people do get when trying to learn keeps alot of people away from trying to raid.
I am a good learner and learn fairly fast, but with all the "1 fail = kick" people out there, how would anyone even manage to learn? Watch a tutorial video? Sure, but that won't really help when you are actually in there.

This ^
I learn fights extremely quickly, even while the fight is going on too, but theres too many "Don't have fight on farm? Kick" people out there to even try :/ Not to mention the hordes of bad people who refuse to learn too lol I got SO many of those trying to clear t5, even got a pt of people who claimed they "beat this and will get us the win", all of them made tons and tons of mistakes like they've never done the fight, it wasn't even simple mistakes that even the most experienced person can make, it was "I've never done this fight but hope you guys will carry me through it" mistakes.

Theres a few fights I've yet to clear because the furthest I've gotten is almost to the end, but most people see that as "never done the fight before" and won't even give me a try. Even though it's about 10 seconds of typing to explain the final part lol

[Ramzal]

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I'm a full time biology/health science major with a wife and a semi active social life. The progression of final coil has been my last priority in life. And not to sound insulting but maybe you're valuing what others have been doing compared to yourself a bit too much.

[Izsha]

Yup. Both camps don't realize the other side is right too.

Entitled elitists: rawr! Group wiped. Gaem over! /rage quit. N00b wasting my time. There's no way I had anything to do with that wipe I cleared this fight (once) already! It's all those noobs fault!

sure champ.

Entitled casual: rawr! Stupid elitists won't search me out and make a group for me! I'm really skilled, so it's not my fault I can't win! I just need someone to give me the chance but they never do!

Sure champ.

Entitled 'it's not MY fault' idiocy runs deep in both trenches war camps. That's why that whole debate is dumb. It's not someone else's fault. If you can't seem to succeed, maybe just maybe it's yur OWN fault. Not all the dumb scapegoats people make up to support their idea that they are more special than they are.

[Malevicton]

The embarrassing part is not the data itself, it is the reasoning behind it. As others have stated, people in NA are so prone to rage quitting, me me me mentality, obscene requirements to get in a party, selling clears, unwilling to help without getting something in return, etc. etc. that it's no wonder why the numbers are what they are.

Okay, I get that people have a thing against selling clears, and that's fine, but there's no way we should bring up selling clears as part of the problem of having less clears.