Ooh... new patch notes! ... Wait...

[Riepah]

The first Heavensward dungeon would give the players ilevel 110 gear, if it follow the pattern with dungeon drop.

I so hope this isn't true. I am so very tired of having every new dungeon giving exclusively obsolete gear with no other purpose other than glamour. Can't we have somewhat challenging and somewhat rewarding dungeons for a change, instead of the mindless "grind trivial, crap-dropping dungeons for your weekly tome currency" deal?

[Felis]

I so hope this isn't true. I am so very tired of having every new dungeon giving exclusively obsolete gear with no other purpose other than glamour. Can't we have somewhat challenging and somewhat rewarding dungeons for a change, instead of the mindless "grind trivial, crap-dropping dungeons for your weekly tome currency" deal?

for a new player who started FF XIV shortly before or after Heavensward, end the 2.55 story with average ilevel 90-100, the ilevel 110 gears would be not obsolete, but the first step into Heavensward.

If you want challenge, stop farming poetic tomes and throw away your ilevel 130 gears ^^

[Enjuden]

for a new player who started FF XIV shortly before or after Heavensward, end the 2.55 story with average ilevel 90-100, the ilevel 110 gears would be not obsolete, but the first step into Heavensward.

If you want challenge, stop farming poetic tomes and throw away your ilevel 130 gears ^^

A challenge that only exists in end-game or by gimping yourself is bad design for PVE. Not just for the devs, but the players too. I wish people would understand this. It's been over ten years since people stated this, and it still isn't true.

[Welsper59]

A challenge that only exists in end-game or by gimping yourself is bad design for PVE. Not just for the devs, but the players too. I wish people would understand this. It's been over ten years since people stated this, and it still isn't true.

In the context of leveling dungeons though in a new expansion, which is what I'm assuming is being discussed there, bad design is to introduce players to the new leveling dungeons by expecting them to be decked out in max (or near max ) ilvl gear in order to complete it. If you require such things, you alienate players (look at how all end game raiding expectations are). Consider the difficulty of Aurum Vale if it weren't capped. I'm quite certain that players wouldn't have such a hard time there, and it wouldn't be anywhere close to being as despised as it is now. Challenge does not exist when everyone overpowers something. Challenge does not exist when everyone memorizes something.

[SlyTribal]

I so hope this isn't true. I am so very tired of having every new dungeon giving exclusively obsolete gear with no other purpose other than glamour. Can't we have somewhat challenging and somewhat rewarding dungeons for a change, instead of the mindless "grind trivial, crap-dropping dungeons for your weekly tome currency" deal?

It is true, they don't want to make 130 gear obsolete the second we enter Heavensward, it will last a long time still. However they're keeping the poetics cap so people can still make some use of the new 110+ gear on other jobs/new chars.