Ooh... new patch notes! ... Wait...

[Felis]

Because it makes so much sense to unlock them in the expansion..

I dont get why people expect them to still follow the line, when an expansion means the end of the line.

ilevel 130 gear will not be useless the moment you get level 51

ilvl 130 wont have any meaning in Heavensward, because i doubt anyone would expect people to do old content, to gear up on ilvl130, just so they can get the Heavensward quests done, or for the sake of having a good starter set for the new endgame, thats not how transitions into expansions work.

The first Heavensward dungeon would give the players ilevel 110 gear, if it follow the pattern with dungeon drop. The moment a new player reach level 60 he get his ilevel 130 gear or gear near ilevel 130 without farming tomes for it.

[Riepah]

The first Heavensward dungeon would give the players ilevel 110 gear, if it follow the pattern with dungeon drop.

I so hope this isn't true. I am so very tired of having every new dungeon giving exclusively obsolete gear with no other purpose other than glamour. Can't we have somewhat challenging and somewhat rewarding dungeons for a change, instead of the mindless "grind trivial, crap-dropping dungeons for your weekly tome currency" deal?

[Felis]

I so hope this isn't true. I am so very tired of having every new dungeon giving exclusively obsolete gear with no other purpose other than glamour. Can't we have somewhat challenging and somewhat rewarding dungeons for a change, instead of the mindless "grind trivial, crap-dropping dungeons for your weekly tome currency" deal?

for a new player who started FF XIV shortly before or after Heavensward, end the 2.55 story with average ilevel 90-100, the ilevel 110 gears would be not obsolete, but the first step into Heavensward.

If you want challenge, stop farming poetic tomes and throw away your ilevel 130 gears ^^

[Enjuden]

for a new player who started FF XIV shortly before or after Heavensward, end the 2.55 story with average ilevel 90-100, the ilevel 110 gears would be not obsolete, but the first step into Heavensward.

If you want challenge, stop farming poetic tomes and throw away your ilevel 130 gears ^^

A challenge that only exists in end-game or by gimping yourself is bad design for PVE. Not just for the devs, but the players too. I wish people would understand this. It's been over ten years since people stated this, and it still isn't true.

[Welsper59]

A challenge that only exists in end-game or by gimping yourself is bad design for PVE. Not just for the devs, but the players too. I wish people would understand this. It's been over ten years since people stated this, and it still isn't true.

In the context of leveling dungeons though in a new expansion, which is what I'm assuming is being discussed there, bad design is to introduce players to the new leveling dungeons by expecting them to be decked out in max (or near max ) ilvl gear in order to complete it. If you require such things, you alienate players (look at how all end game raiding expectations are). Consider the difficulty of Aurum Vale if it weren't capped. I'm quite certain that players wouldn't have such a hard time there, and it wouldn't be anywhere close to being as despised as it is now. Challenge does not exist when everyone overpowers something. Challenge does not exist when everyone memorizes something.

[SlyTribal]

I so hope this isn't true. I am so very tired of having every new dungeon giving exclusively obsolete gear with no other purpose other than glamour. Can't we have somewhat challenging and somewhat rewarding dungeons for a change, instead of the mindless "grind trivial, crap-dropping dungeons for your weekly tome currency" deal?

It is true, they don't want to make 130 gear obsolete the second we enter Heavensward, it will last a long time still. However they're keeping the poetics cap so people can still make some use of the new 110+ gear on other jobs/new chars.