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[seekified]

OR or....lead the group to...victory? Wait no that would require work, sorry please ignore what I said.

This. I actually enjoy helping groups clear content they're struggling with - if more people did, maybe this chasm between coilers and everyone else wouldn't be so enormous.

[PotatoTree]

This. I actually enjoy helping groups clear content they're struggling with - if more people did, maybe this chasm between coilers and everyone else wouldn't be so enormous.

Helping is nice but Trial Roulette was supposed to be a quick thing that you can queue and enjoy some fast content and be over with it. 40min of doing SoF to help people is fine the first time, but after the 5th time it's just too much. They should have moved it to the main story roulette or something. You might say that if you don't like it, don't queue, but that's exactly what me and probably many others have done, increasing queue times in general.

[LTEvil]

Helping is nice but Trial Roulette was supposed to be a quick thing that you can queue and enjoy some fast content and be over with it. 40min of doing SoF to help people is fine the first time, but after the 5th time it's just too much. They should have moved it to the main story roulette or something. You might say that if you don't like it, don't queue, but that's exactly what me and probably many others have done, increasing queue times in general.

Im sorry did I miss "quick" in the description for the q somewhere? Lol cant believe you said that like its a valid excuse for dodging content. "It's not quick and easy thats not what its meant to be."
<3 you.

[PotatoTree]

Im sorry did I miss "quick" in the description for the q somewhere? Lol cant believe you said that like its a valid excuse for dodging content. "It's not quick and easy thats not what its meant to be."
<3 you.

I dodge it not because it's hard, but because it's boring and frustrating when people can't follow even simple instructions. I mean it can't get simpler than "don't shoot the dragonkiller before he's in the red circle" can it? But nope, just like life, pugs, pugs will find a way...

I guess it doesn't matter cause I don't queue for it anymore. They can make it whatever they want for all I care now, especially since we don't even get any more poetics because I'm capped at 450 halfway through the week anyway.

[tocsin]

Although I really wish they had made some kind of at least token crafting adjustments or gathering adjustments, I suppose I cant be too mad about this patch.

There is zero here that affects me, is all.

[Remus]

Trial Roulette was supposed to be a quick thing that you can queue and enjoy some fast content and be over with it.

I don't remember SE saying this. In all honesty, I believe the trial roulette is there to help new players the reward isn't that great. If your leaving the trial because you got Steps of Faith then you are missing the whole point of the roulette. It's random, if you get it deal with it and at least try and not just give up. The reason its in trial roulette is because its a trial and they need people to continue helping new player though it simple. No one said it had to be some quick think that you can queue and enjoy fast content and be over with it.

[PotatoTree]

I don't remember SE saying this. In all honesty, I believe the trial roulette is there to help new players the reward isn't that great. If your leaving the trial because you got Steps of Faith then you are missing the whole point of the roulette. It's random, if you get it deal with it and at least try and not just give up. The reason its in trial roulette is because its a trial and they need people to continue helping new player though it simple. No one said it had to be some quick think that you can queue and enjoy fast content and be over with it.

Who's saying I'm leaving the trial? I just don't queue in the first place...

The issue is the time difference between SoF and the other trials is just too big. If I have 30min to spare, I can't queue trials at all because I might get SoF when before SoF each trial was less than 10min on average, maybe 20min if you have a lot of new people.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Who's saying I'm leaving the trial? I just don't queue in the first place...

Yeah, same here. Since that thing was added to the trial roulette, I don't bother anymore. 10 poetics for more than half an hour of trying and people messing up? no thanks. I really miss these 5 minutes run for almost free poetics. I'l always prefer tol run another expert in the mean time.

[monochromicorn]

This. I actually enjoy helping groups clear content they're struggling with - if more people did, maybe this chasm between coilers and everyone else wouldn't be so enormous.

Wow. I guess the fact that I don't want to waste 30+ minutes of my time on content I've cleared, wiping, because people can't get their selves together. Sorry if wanting to not die makes me a "coiler" in your own words. Way to be extremely prejudiced and insulting. Guess I have to waste my entire day on someone else just to not be seen as completely elitist and heartless. And, it must also only be competent raiders that don't want to do trial roulette, or waste their time on a pug steps of faith. Because only casuals waste their time on other people.

[Elusana_Celah]

Wow.

You do realize that by helping people clear and learn content you can identify good players this way who will, in-turn appreciate you helping them. Then you actually make a friend! omg! Then after doing this for awhile you will be able to make friends with many other good players!!! Then, then, you will have a social connection of players who CAN handle the content you want to fight.

Unless you were only referring to duty finder, then my example is not applicable. I only consider it a waste of time if people aren't listening. Like I made a real effort to duty finder T9 and try to help people by teaching them and talking to them and after the same guy got killed to dynamo for 9 pulls and people DPS wasn't pushing hard enough on phases 1 and 2, meteors were being stacked consistently and over 45 minutes of my time was being completely wasted on no one improving at all, it was clear that I was wasting my time so I left lol. But then Mono's example would make sense because in duty finder you can't even add a good performing player to your friends list so meh.

I can understand people's complaints about time wasted in duty finder. Maybe you'll get lucky and have that one group who listens. The groups I tend to get are full of anti-social mutes who never say anything no matter what you say to them. You are speaking advice and you always get those few people who aren't listening. You call them out and ask them why they didn't do what they were supposed to do and they still say nothing then proceed to mess up some more... Finally you have to RAGE at them rudely before they just say "Sry" ...

Seriously that happens to me more often than you think it's awful =/ So now a days if I queue something that isn't tank and spank and I offer advice and we wipe 2 times, no one owns up to their mistakes and, upon repeating my advice, people are still messing up. I leave and take penalty.