Show me the MANA!

[Yare]

Apparently, people like to flame WHM for the mana issue. I don't know whether i should laugh or cry. While I do agree that SCH seems to have an easier time with mana because of their pet fairy and the design aetherflow, WHM is not handicapped in mana when one knows how to use regen, Shroud of saint, divine seal, and presence of mind. DS has only 1 min cool down and can be used to puch out better regen and cure 1 instead of spamming cure 2 and having mana evaporating.

Also, while WHM gains mana at a slower rate than SCH, it does not really affect how a team to finish. I said that because T13 can be finished by solo heal WHM or SCH at about the same amount the time done by the same team (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciG14dCaKrA) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAhdM3-k25g)

In the SCH T13 solo, the bard did have to sing ballade for the SCH so it is not like SCH has unlimited supply of mana.

[Kabzy]

Forgive me if I'm missing the point, but what exactly is there to be discussed?

MP management is something a WHM must learn, and pretty much everyone knows that. I don't think it's a big enough issue that needs to be addressed to the entire healing community; WHMs don't get flamed that often on my server for those reasons anyway, if at all.

[Yare]

Hi Kabzy, Well, it is just a recurring argument used by certain minorities. Somehow even in the "healer's gimp" thread, it got turned into WHM sucks b/c of mana issue discussion. So I thought that it would be nice to have a separate thread to address this whole WHM mana issue.

Maybe this will be a silly post to amuse the entire healing community. Or perhaps not as amusing as it could have been if its author has some spare attribute points to invest into "INT" instead of wasting her "MND" in the on-going WHM mana flaming posts.

[ZhycranaDranix]

In the SCH T13 solo, the bard did have to sing ballade for the SCH so it is not like SCH has unlimited supply of mana.

Woooahhh ? Really
I didn't know Solo healing in the ''top end game '' content would require more Mana ?
In a normal setting a SCH does have a unlimited supply of Mana as where the WHM would equate to the SMN where MP has to be managed through CDs and abilities...

[Yare]

In a normal setting a SCH does have a unlimited supply of Mana as where the WHM would equate to the SMN where MP has to be managed through CDs and abilities...

Does aetherflow count as ability? If a fight is so easy that a SCH does not need use aetherflow, it is likely that a WHM at comparable gear and skill level won't need to shroud.

[ZhycranaDranix]

SCH MP is an after thought , WHM you can burn through it just as fast as you replenish it. Not ''flaming'' WHM for having Mana issues just stating that it's obviously easier for a SCH to manage MP. You pointed out a solo healed T13 in which I could never a imagine it being done without a bard in either party.....In a normal setting ...SCHs don't generally ''ask'' for mana nor require it but WHM on the other hand, you just patched up the group and used shroud ...tick tick....then big damage comes in probably use a Med II and what not Cure IIs and wala you're not necessarily hurting for MP but you're balancing which is why the procs are like the best the for WHM

[mp-please]

Let's try to see this on a different way. We all know both sch and whm are pretty similar but people like to cry that they're extremely different.
While silly, let's compare healers like sports cars and their fuel consumption.

*All values are approximate, no crits or healing buffs were considered (rouse/divine seal/PoM)

10 second rotation
WHM : Cure I > Cure I > Cure II [352 mp (skill cost - 180 mp from server tick)]
SCH : Adlo > Physick + Embrace > Physick + Embrace [405 mp (skill cost - 180 mp from server tick)]

20 second rotation
WHM : Regen [186 MP]
SCH : Lustrate [0 MP]

30 Second rotation (aoe)
WHM : Medica II [452 MP]
SCH : Succor [399 MP]

Let us mash everything.

WHM : 3574 MP/min
SCH : 3228 MP/min

Since shroud of saints have a 3 min cooldown, let's put all of this to 3 min format and take out the amount of mp we can restore from the usage.
*Assuming both players have 5k mp, aetherflow should restore 1k mp per use and shroud 1600 ish.

WHM : 5548 MP/2min
SCH : 4456 MP/2min

And finally, cure II has 15% chance of costing 0 mp, that's roughly 1 on 6 cure I casts will make freecure come up.
In 2 minutes worth we're casting 24 cure Is which should give us 4 freecures saving 1064 mp. Which puts us at.

WHM : 4484 MP/2 mins
SCH : 4456 MP/2 min

Almost no difference in mp

[Oriens]

So yea, in the end, the difference between both healer performances (in non crit spamming at least) is 900 mp and 6000 hp healed. Not that much now is it?

Not taking sides in this debate but you forgot to acknowledge Eos/Selene in this equation.

[mp-please]

Not taking sides in this debate but you forgot to acknowledge Eos/Selene in this equation.

Yes and no, while all that math is extremely flawed when it comes to actual gameplay, i decided to keep whispering dawn out from it due most scholars preferring selene. Adding it only decrease the hp healed difference to under 1k, my point was mostly towards mp used regardless.

[Oriens]

Yes and no, while all that math is extremely flawed when it comes to actual gameplay, i decided to keep whispering dawn out from it due most scholars preferring selene. Adding it only decrease the hp healed difference to under 1k, my point was mostly towards mp used regardless.

It's fine. I find the conversation/debate truly ridiculous. I play both jobs and am grateful for my cohealers. You can really tell when you're paired with a bad one >_<