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  1. #11
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    Nyalia's Avatar
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    Neri Feralheart
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 90
    There are many, many, many reasons why macroing any GCD skill is bad, not to mention an entire rotation. As others have said, you can only have a delay of whole seconds in a macro. Your GCD will not be exactly whole seconds no matter what you think. On top of that, your lag to the server will artificially increase your GCD.

    Macros cannot know your GCD. They cannot know your skill cooldowns. The macro will literally wait the time specified, and then try to execute the action. If the action is off cooldown, nothing will happen, but after the next delay specified, the next command will be attempted. In other words, macros do not "queue" moves.

    If you are using skills manually and you hit a skill that has 0.5 seconds or less remaining on the cooldown, the skill will flash and then the second it finishes cooling down, it goes off. This is called "queuing" a move, and it not only eliminates any delay due to user input, it also eliminates any delay due to latency because the queuing happens on the server. If you use a macro, it can't queue because the game has no idea what skills are being used in the macro since you can have several or none. So, even if you have a single skill macroed (something like /ac "Spinning Edge" <t>, /p "Ha! Take that, evildoer!"), if you hit that macro when a skill is 0.1 seconds from cooling down, it won't do anything. Because of this, macroing GCD skills at all is a major DPS loss.

    The upshot of all this is that if you use macros like this, you might as well remove all skillspeed from your gear and stop using Huton because you are completely eliminating any benefits from those to your DPS. This macro will significantly lower your DPS in all content, especially late game content, making you a liability to your group in any DPS check scenario. In any situation where you have to move as part of dealing with mechanics, it'll be even worse as you miss parts of your combos due to positioning.


    In short, don't do it. Don't use macros for rotations. Don't use macros for any GCD skill at all.

    Only macro really important skill uses that your party needs to know about, like Hallowed Ground (PLD), Berserk (WAR), Raise/Resurrection (WHM/SCH/SMN), Cometeor (BLM/SMN in PvP), and so on. NIN has only two skills that fit this criteria that might be useful to announce via a macro when you use them: Goad and Trick Attack.

    Macros are also good for skills you want to use on a mouse-over target, like Aetherial Manipulation (BLM) or Cover (PLD) - you can set it so hitting your middle mouse button while hovering over a person (or their name in your party list) will cast the skill on them. I don't think NIN has any for this since their movement skill is a ground target. Maybe Goad, so you don't have to deselect your current target?

    So, a good NIN macro could be:

    /micon "Goad"
    /ac "Goad" <mo>
    /wait 1
    /p Goad used on <mo>

    (the wait is there so if you spam the button, you don't spam your party)
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  2. #12
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    Karis Angara
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    Aha, so this is why I out-DPS so many NINs with my WAR in expert roulettes and WoD. Don't ever macro a GCD move to another GCD move, it reduces your damage output by quite a lot.
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  3. #13
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    Atori Benitoki
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    Hmmm, you should adjust <s.e>'s at the end to make a proper song, and don't forget the "/dance! /dance! Show me that you good enough!"
    I also see that you don't have any CD or Mudras in there and I sincerely believe that this is the right thing to do. Because this stuff is like for pussies and as far as I can see you ain't playing no female Miqo'te so you shouldn't even use them in the first place. Keep up the good work!
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    Blue Thunder
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    My eyes have bleeded... Sorry for the harsh words.

    Macroing your GCD is the worst idea you can come up with, and those above have already stated very well why. Not only you gimp your damage, but also greatly increase the chance of 1 or more actions not een getting executed.
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    Aeon Rakshasa
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    Only macro I use for NIN is to let my inefficient self know when Trick Attack is back up and ready to use again.
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    Ruri Valeth
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    this is probably why there's so many lolnins lately that do 150 less dps than the other dps in dungeons.
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    Marik Landzaat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
    this is probably why there's so many lolnins lately that do 150 less dps than the other dps in dungeons.
    And the ones that only cast hyoton at the beginning of a fight and only doton during the fight.
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    Ruddi Leonhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by m3eansean View Post
    Ruddi - the Macro built in delay will always round up to the nearest whole number. I highly doubt your GCD is 2 seconds exactly, probably more like 2.38 with Huton up and depending on your skill speed. So it will delay to 3 seconds on your Macro, even without you programming that exact wait time.

    You are losing a significant amount of time with each rotation by Macro'ing it, and in turn a significant loss in dps. Reddit and other sites have covered this extensively, please read them, or run the numbers using Macro and non-macro - there will be a difference.
    My action skill delay is at 1,99 with huton up so it round up to 2 secs, I can make a video if you don't believe me but the skill speed is really fast and I have timed it also with the result 2 secs delay.
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruddi View Post
    My action skill delay is at 1,99 with huton up so it round up to 2 secs, I can make a video if you don't believe me but the skill speed is really fast and I have timed it also with the result 2 secs delay.
    Even if it were, you aren't weaving your mudras and other off-global cooldown abilities like jugulate, mug, and trick attack using that macro.
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    Odin
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    Alchemist Lv 60
    Just. Don't.
    NIN's strength lies in weaving in oGCDs and mudras into a largely linear rotation... the fact you are completely ignoring all of that means your dps will be incredibly low, even if your delay is almost exactly 2 seconds.

    It's like going with a "rotation" of Spinning Edge, Spinning Edge, Spinning Edge, Spinning Edge... there is nothing to stop you doing this, but there's a fair chance you will annoy every party you ever join
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