Unless the consumer have subpar hardware to begin with, not everything is programmed for the lowest common denominator, nor should they be. That said, I do agree with your other points.
Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee
can't say I've seen this happen personally, I've rarely seen anyone suffering frequent DC in the dungeons, and the few times it happened it was due to ISP problems on the player's side.
On the issues of client and hardware, it's obvious that the client optimization is hardly up to par, but at the same time I think some are placing a bit too much of the blame on the client. There are way too many things that can cause the issues that people have talked about, and not many have provided enough information to really figure out what the problem may be, and I suspect not many have done all that much testing themselves either.
hardware, software and OS configurations and settings, parts selection, cooling system configuration and condition, ambient temperature etc. can all have substantial impact on your system's performance.
I personally haven't really run into much issue with the client myself, and I'm running on a decent, but hardly top of the line system (i7 920 @ 4.0ghz w/ 6gb ram, a 580gtx and a couple SSDs for the OS and games). I run the ff14 client @ 1920x1200, with mostly standard (because higher settings don't really provide any noticable improvements anyway) settings and 4x AA, and for the most part the game stays within 45-60 FPS for me. Hell, sometimes I even run ff14 with multiple instances of eve online clients at the same time with no issue. (all in windowed mode).
can't really say much about a direct comparison between HDD and SSD performance for the game, as I've always had SSDs in this system, but I never experienced any stutter or other notable performance issue with the client on my laptop, which has much less power being a c2d p9500 w/ 4gb and only a 4850m gpu, and no SSD - I just had to run the client in a lower resolution in accordance with the less capable hardware. As far as I can see, the SSDs loads the game and zones a bit faster - when I teleport both clients at the same time, it can take a second or two longer to load on the laptop, but otherwise I see little differences between the two.
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09-07-2011 06:33 PM #1Player
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09-07-2011 12:05 PM #2Player
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Hey guys, I am using a low-mid end VGA,CPU and also a limited HDD, it runs fine on low-med setting,I can bear the lag. but usually after 1,5 half hours, there is a period which my game stuttering/lag heavily for minutes. what should I check 1st?
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09-07-2011 01:48 PM #3Player
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So i have a question, and this thread seemed to be the best place to post, i dont have a big problem running this game, my fans seem to to kick on high when i do ,so here is my specs, do they seem ok?
...and i was wondering, could i update my i5 to a i7 second gen?
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Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition Service Pack 1 64bit (build 7601)
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 760 @ 2.80GHz
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BIOS Default System BIOS
Language English (Regional Setting: English)
Physical Memory 4055.117MB
Virtual Memory 2047.875MB
Page File 8108.430MB
Storage C:\ Hard Disk Drive Total Disk Space 931.413GB Free Disk Space 737.158GB
Storage Q:\ Hard Disk Drive Total Disk Space 931.413GB Free Disk Space 737.158GB
DirectX Version DirectX 11
Graphic Device(s) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
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+DAC Type Integrated RAMDAC
+Display Mode 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
+Driver nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
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+Driver Date 8/3/2011 5:50:00 AM
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+Vertex Shader 3.0
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+Vertex Texture Supported
Sound Device(s) SHARP HDMI-1 (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)
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+Device Name nvhda64v.sys
+Driver Version 1.02.0023.0003
+Driver Language English
+Driver Date 5/25/2011 12:09:17 AM
Sound Device(s) Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
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+Driver Language English
+Driver Date 6/8/2010 3:21:02 AM
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Thanks for your help(0)Last edited by CK11; 09-07-2011 at 01:52 PM.
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09-07-2011 05:47 PM #4Player
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You wouldn't see too much of a difference between the 760 and anything else
Originally Posted by CK11
Even the "monster" 2600k, although it benchmarks well, will show very little to no improvement in game.....
Honestly... your graphics card is the only part of your rig that is considered mid range....
the 460 is I believe the recommended minimum GPU according to square enix... at least you have the one with more VRAM though....
You could pick up a used Radeon 5870 and increase your performance quite a bit... and by that I mean play with all settings maxed (No AO and GDQ 8)
well consider your CPU and RAM linked....
Originally Posted by Aion
because if you upgrade CPU, you'll have to get a new Motherboard and RAM....
which isn't bad... but it would cost more than upgrading your video card... both of which would give you a big performance boost
They are actually at about the same level of needing to be updated...
So if you have the cash.... upgrade the motherboard, CPU and RAM...
If you're limited on funds... just pop in a new video card and save up for the big upgrade... let the hard drive be the last thing you upgrade....(0)
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09-07-2011 06:30 PM #5
I run a I7 laptop 8gb win7 64bit, with only a Nvidia GTS 360m and 7200RPM hd.
The 360m is having a hard time with FF14, especially since I run it full HD through a hdmi cable on a big tele. But I manage to get it smooth enough adjusting the settings to mid and on full HD still looks fine.
The HDD is in use quite often and I seemed to get stuttering out of that everywhere too. I couldn't even play music from Spotify properly in the background because of it.
The I7 isn't doing much with only 20%/30% usage I believe and the mem is never capped out.
So my 360m problems are managed with settings. The rest is good. But I still had to fix my HDD problems. Now I tried a USB stick with readyboost, which kinda helps, but was no holy cure. Then I finally found the fix while tweaking my laptop for audio. And it was a rare find!
My Laptop is also used for recording audio from an external high end sound card & ad/da converter through Firewire. If you want to record audio in high settings like 192khz/32bit and record that to HDD, depending on your system, you will get stutter and these so called drop outs, which you don't want. Scanning professional audio forums I was pointed towards this nice tool:
http://download.cnet.com/LatencyMon/...-75300293.html
Running this tool while doing nothing, or while trying to record audio, or playing some music, all gave some interresting insights in what was causing latency and made my audio stutter and drop out. I noticed this was mostly caused by software/drivers related to my onboard lan port, which was causing huge latency spikes that then caused latency on my 360m and hdd access. This may be a fault in the LAN drivers or hardware. Luck may have it I am on the wireless support of my Laptop, so I simply disabled the LAN port and this fixed my audio recording problems.
Now going back to FF14, my Uld stutter is gone too and I can play audio in the background, alt tab is smooth, generally having a good time. In fact I'm better off in Uld and Grid and surrounding areas now than I am in unpopulated Limsa Lominsa or Bloodshore areas, which are stressing my 360m more, probably because of bigger distances / more details to render by the 360m.
So long story short: Give the latencymon tool a try if you have problems with stuttering. You may find something in your system that is delaying all your other hardware. And seems the FF14 client is the among the more demanding applications to choke on those latency issues if you have them. You may be able to find something and update drivers, remove an app or update specific hardware to get something out of this, but it's worth the look.
To opt : Yes I have felt the general game performance isn't the best and still am aware FF14 is quite heavy on today's hardware. However, with a little research/work I was able to overcome the issues and am able to play quite OK on hardware that isn't that perfectly suited for the game (The 360m graphics).
Still I hate all that tweaking. Hope they do a good job on PS3 or eventually bring it to Xbox360. I'm tired of dealing with PC hardware for games lol
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09-07-2011 04:34 PM #6Player
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when you are on tight budget like me what will you upgrade 1st?
- CPU: C2D E4500
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09-07-2011 05:43 PM #7Player
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Check the graphics card first, then the CPU use atleast an i5 or ATI equivelant CPU ad atleast a 750MB graphoics card
Originally Posted by Aion
I would look at your graphics card first a 460 isnt ideal for FFXIV because it is quite dated now, then move to the CPU your CPU while not ideal should run decent, but the 460 looks like the real bottle neck in your system.
Originally Posted by CK11
Sorry for not editing the bulk of the quote, im in a hurry.
Your whole system seems underpowered, I would start on atleast 2x 2GB RAM chips which you can get cheap, then move to the CPU, C2D is quite old, but this can cost alot of money, finally move to the graphics card, if you have the 1GB model it should not need an upgrade, but if you are using the 512MB model then it will need upgrading for the best performance.
Originally Posted by Aion
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09-07-2011 07:21 PM #8Player
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I'm so confused, I heard from many that this game can't run sli or xfire... But some of you said that you can or am I misunderstanding? If you can run xfire can someone explain to me how I can do it because I've tried and it doesn't let me for this game. I have a xfx 5970 black edition.
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09-07-2011 08:14 PM #9Player
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you can, but for xfire the game has to be in fullscreen mode.
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09-08-2011 09:34 AM #10Player
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Thank you Rydinand Delsus for you input, i will look into the video card, i have another quick question that might be related, but every so often my computer reboots during play of ffxiv, it only happens once in a while, it actually just happened whiched reminded me of my post here, so i decided to come check to see if my computer is the issue. I dont think it is overheating but im not sure. I dont understand why it only happens every so often. Any help would be great!!
thanks agian
edit= with this Radeon 5870 will i need a new power supply?(0)Last edited by CK11; 09-08-2011 at 09:49 AM.
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