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    So I like cutscene watching. But Raubahn's face...

    Spoilers in case people are silly enough to read the Lore forum without being up to date on in-story quests, this concerns the enormous chain of quests at the end of the content as of the 2.55 patch. Please avert your eyes, click the "Back" button on your browser, or prepare your butt for hurt if the warning's not heeded.

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    With that out of the way. What the fuck is up with Ala Mhigo?

    "The Parting Glass", cutscene #11.
    Ilberd's armor piercing statement of "We can't all abandon Ala Mhigo and become great war heroes as you have" just plain irks me. Raubahn's reaction of looking so thoroughly shaken over the statement, like it's actual justification for Ilberd's treason, is even worse.
    ... What? Incredibly high position in the Immortal Flames, higher position in the Crystal Braves, and "We can't become heroes?" Abandoning Ala Mhigo is worthy of killing a monarch? It's not just this quest, either.

    "Wilred Wants You", level 27?
    "Hi, I'm a Scion, sworn to try to bring peace to the land."
    "Ala Mhigo!" And they attempt to kill you before trying to take advice to summon a Primal.

    "Five Easy Pieces", level 50 for MNK?
    "Hi, I'm a MNK in training, trying to follow your advice of opening my Chakra."
    "Ala Mhigo!" And he attempts to kill you.

    And now?
    "Hi, I'm the Warrior of Light, here to offer support to Ul'Dah's beloved leader and her most trusted guardian and friend."
    "Ala Mhigo!" And he kills her, attempts to kill him, attempts to have you locked up.

    ... What? Really, just what the actual fuck. Is Ala Mhigo cruise control for cool in this story? What about it was so special that anyone seems to be able to reference it, draw a heart-wrenching grimace from everyone in the area, and get a justified rampage? I'll admit I haven't the heart to review every cutscene and piece of script in the game to see if I'm missing it, but I'd like to think if Ala Mhigo were truly something more special than a piece of land claimed by the Garleans, it would be made known. All I have seen thus far is the following.

    1.) Referencing Ala Mhigo seems to justify terrorism. Including killing a monarch who actively wants happiness for her people, but is bound by laws that put power in the hands of people who are known to abuse it for personal gain. And by serving people who abuse said power, who seem to know the monarch wants to change the rules of the land.
    2.) Ala Mhigans are cold at best and, at worst, more of a threat to the general good than the Garleans.
    3.) Ala Mhigo is an exaggerated tragedy. The realm was destroyed when a unified Eorzea attempted to drive back a rampant Empire amidst the appearance of Bahamut, but what happened to dear, sweet Ala Mhigo? Taken over. Big whoop.

    Really, Square? This is where the minds that write some of the most epic tales you've had in the past are forced to go? Where one single city of terrorists is somehow so dearly missed by everyone that it's grounds for dismay from the Good and rampage from the Evil? There are very, very many good things I have to say about this game, including its story (especially for an MMO), but Ala Mhigo's placement in one of the biggest, most emotionally invested turning points in the story (let alone everything beforehand) now has me removing my glasses to facepalm.

    So, since I can't ask Rabauhn the emotionally torn victim of being an Ala Mhigan refugee who turned out as a Good aligned, strong willed hero, I'm left at the end of the rant wondering if someone else here has the puzzle piece I may be missing to why it's so important. Otherwise I'll be left wondering when the Domans find their ambition to stop being productive, ambitious, friendly, sane, decent refugees and start doing the cool kid thing of terrorizing Eorzea.
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    Last edited by KikoriL; 04-19-2015 at 09:54 AM.

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    It's the homeland of a lot of the down and out people in the Realm, a lot of the people who once called Ala Mhigo home, have turned to crime in order to survive, in order to justify this to themselves, they claim it is for the good of Ala Mhigo, they blame Ul'dah and the rest of the Alliance for not doing a better job protecting Ala Mhigo, it's not so much that Ala Mhigo justifies anything, it's that its used as a reason. As for Raubahn and Ilberd, they're long time friends, they lost Ala Mhigo, and unlike Ilberd, Raubahn made something of himself, in the eyes of some Ala Mhigans, they probably saw this as him turning his back on the homeland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewy2nd View Post
    It's the homeland of a lot of the down and out people in the Realm, a lot of the people who once called Ala Mhigo home, have turned to crime in order to survive, in order to justify this to themselves, they claim it is for the good of Ala Mhigo, they blame Ul'dah and the rest of the Alliance for not doing a better job protecting Ala Mhigo, it's not so much that Ala Mhigo justifies anything, it's that its used as a reason. As for Raubahn and Ilberd, they're long time friends, they lost Ala Mhigo, and unlike Ilberd, Raubahn made something of himself, in the eyes of some Ala Mhigans, they probably saw this as him turning his back on the homeland.
    To be honest, given the historical context behind Ala' Mhigo, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't just as kill happy BEFORE the Garleans came. As noted with the Autumn War, which was the impetus for the formation of the original Alliance, as well as Ala Mhigo's status as a marital nation (which would require enemies to fight, if not to sustain their war-like culture); in the end, despite their martial pride, the Garleans turned out to be the superior military power.
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    It's more of an extreme case of patriotism than terrorism - the Ala Mhigans have had their home under Garlean for occupation for...15 years? Ul'dah is doing nothing to help them, they've been living out in terrible places (for those in Little Ala Mhigo I'd barely even call that living, it's that bad), and meanwhile Raubahn is up on the top of the hierarchy living the good life. It's natural that they'd feel bitter against those that are doing better than them (though it still makes little sense to attack him and claim he doesn't care as much as they do).
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    The funny thing is that Wilred, an Ala Mhigan, was killed for this oh-so-just plot to work. I don't think we're supposed to understand Ilberd's motivations or feel sympathy for him at this point. It looks to me like they're just replacing one despicable scumbag - Teledji Adeledji - with another, give us a new jerk to loathe. I just hope Ilberd will meet a similar fate.
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    Good news is: Ala Mhigo is slated for the expansion after Ishgard. (Unless Yoshida is a liar. Oh, wait.)

    Bad news is: by the time that rolls around, all the Ala Mihgans we actually cared about will be either dead or maimed, and most likely by other Ala Mhigans. I'd love to meet an Ala Mhigan who uses the homeland as an excuse to be nice to people. Can't we have one of those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Good news is: Ala Mhigo is slated for the expansion after Ishgard. (Unless Yoshida is a liar. Oh, wait.)
    Not trying to call you out, but when did he say this? I love the idea and I hope you're right, but I'd really like evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst View Post
    Not trying to call you out, but when did he say this? I love the idea and I hope you're right, but I'd really like evidence.
    Skepticism is understandable, given how often out-of-date or inaccurate info is treated as canon on these forums.

    It was in one of the older Live Letter Q&As, but I'll be damned if I can remember exactly which one. He mentioned that he imagined us going to Ishgard, Ala Mhigo, and Garlemald in that order, but that the first expansion would only include Ishgard. They haven't said anything on it since, but since we'll only have one unvisited Eorzean city-state left after this coming expansion, I really can't imagine them sending us to another continent before completing the map of Eorzea.
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    Ala Mhigo strikes me as being quite the cesspit. It's basically another Ul'dah.
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    You can't really blame the rest of the city states for not having a big care for Ala-mhigo, as like their conquerors they attempted to invade the other city states (while simultaneously repelling Garlean invasion) most notably Gridania. It got to the point that Gridania got assistance from the other city states including Ishgard of all places to repel the Ala-mhigans. So the animosity isn't just from refugees being annoying, People just dislike Ala-mhigo due to their history with them. So from Ul'dahs perspective you have people from an enemy nation coming in and demanding refuge, I'm surprised they even let them come as they have.

    This also explains why Ala-mhigo's sigil isn't grouped with the others on the eorzean map even though it was an eorzean state.
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