Steps of Faith needs an ilevel raise...

[Lemuria]

Hmm, I hear a lot of objections but I'm going to play devil's advocate and say that a higher ilvl minimum isn't as stupid as it sounds. Even hitting the dragon with every missile, plenty of cannon fire and explosive barrels, there's a good amount of regular old fashioned DPS that needs to be dealt before the beast goes down.

People seem quick to ignore that some of the monsters are 'on rails' as they gun for the cannons. As a tank, you can get their aggro icon bright red but they'll still ignore you until they reach their destination and fire their attack. Two options here. Run over to the critter for a stun (dragging any tag-along) or ignore it in the hopes someone else will stun it. It'll come after the tank once it's skill is done.

Furthermore, that giant turtle can be stunned, but as with all mobs he becomes resistant fast. He uses that move more often than you can stun, so he'd best be dead by the time he's ready for a 4th round.

There is certainly an element to a DPS race in this fight, and a level 90 character is at a severe disadvantage, make no mistake. A level of 100 isn't that big a leap in the grand scheme of things, but it will make a big difference to the fight.

[Zfz]

I disagree.

Instead. I think it should be changed so that Vishap has +100% HP, and the cannons and dragonslayer get +150% damage. It's a gimmick fight, people should stop trying to brute force everything.

Furthermore, that giant turtle can be stunned, but as with all mobs he becomes resistant fast. He uses that move more often than you can stun, so he'd best be dead by the time he's ready for a 4th round.

It should really be the cannon's job to stun the giant turtle. If the tank is doing things right, and cannons are actually doing their jobs, then it should die fast enough.

The cannons do well, but they can't do everything. You must know that the DPS plays a part in finishing them off especially ones that break off some times.

I agree, simply on paper. However when you actually experience the fight not everything goes well. Which I like about the fight! Its chaotic, I want more fights like this.

DPS have no role in trash in this fight. They simply do not and should not even put in 1HP of damage to the adds. If your adds are not finished off by the time Vishap is hacking on the magic wall, the cannon operators are not doing things right or the tank isn't gathering up the trash.

And it's trivial to gather the trash. Have your healer behind the tank, have the tank between Vishap's two front legs. Have a running Regen on the tank or drop a heal on the tank after the trash spawn. They will bee-line for the healer, and because of the healer's positioning, it means they will congregate nicely at the tank and one Flash or Overpower picks them all up. Having DPS whacking on the trash actually disrupts this perfect arrangement.

I helped out a FC buddy with this fight and did it in the DF. Everyone listened to me and no DPS touched any of the adds. We had the adds under control the first run and they were never problems. We spend time wiping because the one responsible for dragon slayer forgot to run up the towers. In the end we had someone else do the dragon slayer and got it done the next try.

This is not on paper. This is actual experience.

[Lemuria]

Instead. I think it should be changed so that Vishap has +100% HP, and the cannons and dragonslayer get +150% damage. It's a gimmick fight, people should stop trying to brute force everything.

This would ultimately trivialize the fight and have very little impact on people who are already well-geared enough to do significant DPS to the dragon. Thus, the only thing it would contribute to is frustration.

t should really be the cannon's job to stun the giant turtle. If the tank is doing things right, and cannons are actually doing their jobs, then it should die fast enough.

In an ideal world, sure. Realistically speaking, you need to leave margin for error in every equation.

[Zfz]

In an ideal world, sure. Realistically speaking, you need to leave margin for error in every equation.

Ummm...we did exactly that in DF with first timers on cannons.

Adds were collected well because tank (I) and healer had both done the fight before. But this just goes to show, people should work towards getting the gimmicks right, instead of asking to reduce the importance of the gimmicks.

[Anarnee]

Don't get me wrong, I understand that raising the ilv with give an advantage, of course it will, BUT I'm saying that it shouldn't be enforced, because it is possible to do without, if one takes the time to learn the fight and preform it to its fullest.

If someone isn't going to actually do the mechanics and if just going to rely on gear, they didn't really earn the right to move on.

I'm sure when 3.0 comes out they'll do something to make the fight easier, but as for right now, it is not a hard fight. Sure, you actually have to you know, play the game correctly, and do things... but you know... Its a game... If we're not going to learn how to play it properly, why are we even playing?

[Chihaya]

Yea... seems like mechanics problem not ilvl problem.
If you're a dps, and not on a cannon, you should be on Vishap majority of the time.
All small adds should be killed by the cannons if the tank gather them right. Only the large adds "may" need help to be killed.

I have killed Vishap before it even reach the last tower carrying some of my friends through the fight as they had no luck in DF. It doesn't take i130 to use cannons or dragonkiller

[Chiapet]

Steps of faith has got to be the most annoying thing in this game. You miss one thing you're stuck.. drag out this battle for 12 mins and wait for your failure... You screw up once on anything for-kupo-get it you're done. This isnt about not knowing how to do it.. this is simply that it's annoying and slow and honestly the dragon has too much hp. The Ilvl of the party needs to be upped to reflect the amount of DPS required to swiftly do the fight. It should really be i100.


This fight needs to be placed in Main Scenario and get the heck out of my trails.

[Duuude007]

Steps of faith has got to be the most annoying thing in this game. You miss one thing you're stuck.. drag out this battle for 12 mins and wait for your failure...

I call BS on this. I was in a pt that missed the first DK AND the last DK. Killed him before the last barrier (not the final wall) went down.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Although I agree with most things said, your all basing this on your experiences, and most of them are done with help of a friend. Your also leaving out factors like how geared your team-mates were at the time you were doing it.

The reason I want to raise the ilevel isn't because of "just gear", its also experience.

An ilevel 90 at this level of the game, getting all the way to Steps of Faith with that level of gear probably has little to no experience in running the kind of content Steps of Faith is, and thats a HECK of a jump going from none to that.

However, an ilevel 100, or 110 player has that experience because hes run that content. He has the gear to burn down the adds, and do the bosses strategies a whole lot easier.

Now that the content is out, a lot of the geared players HATE it, a lot of them simply leave as soon as it starts and you get the ilevel 90-93ish players. This makes it miserable because not only do they lack gear, but also experience.

Geared players usually leave immediately, because they did it already and simply don't need it. They know that they will have a lot of trouble because the players who need it for the quest lack DPS, and health AND experience. Making the fight very hard.

Even hitting the dragon with every missile, plenty of cannon fire and explosive barrels, there's a good amount of regular old fashioned DPS that needs to be dealt before the beast goes down.

Exactly right, there is a large element of chaos within this fight. Not everything "goes exactly right."

Also the fact that everyone blames everyone else, because FFXIV players are not able to admit when they don't do well. They blame everyone else when they fail. Which gets everyone to leave.

[Intaki]

Although I agree with most things said, your all basing this on your experiences, and most of them are done with help of a friend. Your also leaving out factors like how geared your team-mates were at the time you were doing it.

I have beaten this fight numerous times, most of them queued entirely by myself. Sometimes I'll even queue for it specifically just because it's a really fun fight. And I've never wiped more than twice out of all the times I've done it. How? By asserting some leadership, telling people what their roles and responsibilities are, and calling out objectives throughout the fight.

This fight is only hard if you're lazy and expect to be carried by your gear or by other players.