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  1. #111
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    Mugiawara's Avatar
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    Yoku Dekimashita
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ZemusM View Post
    *sigh*

    LEARN THE MECHANICS. ilvl has NOTHING to do with this encounter. It can be done with 1 Tank and 1 Healer when you know what you are doing, its so SIMPLE. The Cannons are EVERYTHING.

    I cry to think that threads like this are going to dumb down future content
    This.
    Ooooh well though, because people who cry the loudest gets heard, they come here do that and then content gets the nerf.
    Then proceed to hoot and holler because we don't have enough hard content and here we are today...
    See Pharos and AKNM for hard dungeons outside Coil/Primal for examples...They were tough pre-nerf but I didn't get to so Pharos sadly.
    Don't worry because they'll nerf this too because it's gated of HW. They'll nerf it to the ground so people can DPS race it. Might as well, people don't wanna
    read/learn anything if it ain't a speed run. I just want harder content outside Primal and Coils. Or just remove the trial entirely.
    Just hate when we finally get a good dungeon and people scream "IT'S TOO MUCH!" and it gets the eventual nerf bat.
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    Last edited by Mugiawara; 04-20-2015 at 01:55 AM.

  2. #112
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    Naliee's Avatar
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    Siru Kissaki
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis View Post
    Hint: Your not suppose to get hit by the AOEs. It's called dodging lmao.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    With low DPS the mobs do aoes that cannot be dodged. They are simply not killed fast enough.

    You have to realize low dps means adds are still alive and stacking up. Those turtles big aoes are so large you can't dodge them.

    Since the adds are still alive, the low dps has to focus on those and by the time it gets to the end the mob has 30% health left with no cannons.
    You can dodge MOST of aoes, even with "low dps". Zoom out as much as you can. Helps too if tanks stack mobs up so people on cannons can dps them and in that way help dps.

    Doesn't need ilvl raise, just needs more patience from people and willing to learn from mistakes and correct them.
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  3. #113
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    Warlyx's Avatar
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    Warlyx Arada
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    Moogle
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ZemusM View Post
    *sigh*

    LEARN THE MECHANICS. ilvl has NOTHING to do with this encounter. It can be done with 1 Tank and 1 Healer when you know what you are doing, its so SIMPLE. The Cannons are EVERYTHING.

    I cry to think that threads like this are going to dumb down future content
    yeah , for a trial that is a bit different , while i dont like using cannons and what not , this trial at least bring something new and isnt the old , boss > adds > boss , or boss with burst phase or die.

    this game need more bosses with interesting mechanics not less.
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  4. #114
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    I will say to all the people saying mechanics carry the fight: You do still need solid non-mechanic DPS to be able to win this. Having geared/competent DPS *does* matter, and is still vital.

    The three dragonkillers, even if they all hit, only account for 20% of Vishap's health, and there are only ever two cannons active at any one time (and they are not always able to hit Vishap, either)
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  5. #115
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    It doesn't need an ILVL raise people needs to just listen its a really easy fight. But sadly people refuse to listen.
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  6. #116
    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Miles Saintborough
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    As people have said, the troubles boils down towards two things:

    1) Communication. People either don't speak up about the mechanics until it's too late or people who don't understand don't speak up. No one wants to take charge and everyone else either refuses to listen or take too long to fully grasp what they're supposed to do. This is probably the very first full party fight where tank n spank WON'T work.

    2) Lack of will power. This is not just in the trial either. Nearly everyone gives up in the first wipe or second wipe. Experienced players quit because they assume the party will never clear the fight and inexperienced players quit because they can't clear the fight in one shot and refuse to keep trying. You can't learn and clear fights if you are going to give up every single time and new players aren't going to learn if veteran players refuse to give people a chance after the first wipe.
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  7. #117
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    SlyTribal's Avatar
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    Sly Tribal
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    Balmung
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    Ninja Lv 90
    He's complaining about mechanics in another thread now, he's not coming back to this one, lol
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  8. #118
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    Gralna's Avatar
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    Gralya Arodica
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline View Post
    If I join it in my Trial Roulette as my WHM, I'm backing out, and not because I'm stupid, but because the chances of the rest of the group being competent is exceedingly dry, and I'm NOT waiting, an inordinately long time to wipe. I'll ask if everybody knows the fight. If more than 2 people say no, bye bye
    This is an attitude I can't stand, it screams of pettiness and elitism.

    Went into SoF for trial roulette today as a tank, and right away half the party left before we could even get a "hello" in. Turns out that the 4 of us left had multiple clears already. While waiting for replacements I explained DK mechanics to drg who volunteered to man them. Eventually we got some decent people who joined in progress that decided to stick it out. Guess what happened after we had a full party again? We one shotted it and killed Vishap before he destroyed 3rd barrier. Only time that was "wasted" was due to entitled snobs who left at the start of fight.

    This is a fight that requires some communication and coordination instead of just running in leeroy jenkins style. Guess the concept of communicating in an MMO is a foreign concept though.
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  9. #119
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    Yumi_umi's Avatar
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    Yumi Umi
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Ilvl means nothing lol
    Ppl can troll by qeuing in as dps with all vit or mind ironworks/ dreadwyrm accessories.
    Their ilvl will be high but that doesn't mean so will their stats.

    If only se added a vote reset on day 1 of patch.... It'd fix 99% of problems stated by the playerbase.
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  10. #120
    Player Able's Avatar
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    New Gridania (Sargatanas)
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    Character
    Alinda Thorn
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Wouldn't change a thing.
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