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[TruebladeNuke]

What the hell am I even reading in this thread? I'm trying not to laugh at how angry and serious people insist on being over someone choosing to be a class over a job, but jeeze, you people are just... I can't help it anymore. I got to laugh and grab some popcorn over this now.

On a more serious note, I don't think anyone here is denying that jobs are technically stronger than classes, but the other side is DEFINATELY right about "Skill > Gear". I've seen people in classes out-do people with job souls equipped. Any time that happens, it should serve as a lesson to the one with the job soul equipped that they're obviously not trying their hardest if someone in a class role is out doing them. It of course often doesn't though.

Now excuse me while I watch this thread burn:

[Wobi]

There is no advantage CNJ would give you over using WHM and just us making more use of Cleric Stance, maybe even a bit of Holy spam to help burn down those heads and stop the raid wipe. However you elected to play a non-optimal set up and somewhat succeeded based on skill. However you still gimped yourself and could have potentially saved that run, but chose not to have that option available.

Sometimes one person CAN make all the difference, I know because I've saved a few runs myself with a miracle heal or well timed stun. It's not always about personal performance but what you can do for the team as a whole.

[CatsBesErrwhere]

OFFTOPIC: Dudes and dudesses pls tell me a good and active EU server where i will be able to start running final coil raids

[Adire]

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Nope, couldn't have saved it. The dragon heads had too much health left on the first attempt (20% health on the lowest one when Discordance went off, great disparity between it and the rest, considering Discordance increases in cast speed as heads are killed, this was not good and probably would have caused a wipe even if I had somehow managed to kill 20% of a head's health on my own), and I was silenced on the second attempt due to dps ignoring slimes, as Gralna said before in another post (Gralna was in my party during the run).

The dps were goofing too much. Expecting me, a healer, to make up for a massive dps failure and placing blame on me for not doing it is unreasonable as well.

One person can make the difference, however in WoD, a WHM's extra skills aren't all that helpful to a skilled healer, as people have said already. I never saw a need for using any of those skills during this run, and rarely ever need them in WoD in any run. A healer who has decent planning skills can easily heal WoD without needing skills like benediction.

When I use those skills in WoD, it's almost always so that I can be a little lazier. Not because I actually need them. Several other people have said the same thing.

[Tyrn]

DPS screwed up and failed at doing their job then blamed a healer, sounds like how things usually go in the DF.

[Wobi]

DPS screwed up and failed at doing their job then blamed a healer, sounds like how things usually go in the DF.

I'd say about 99% of my commendations go to healers, that being said there are plenty of terrible ones out there just trying to ride by on fast queues. If a person joins a raid without the intent of playing to the best of their ability and using all the tools available to them, then save everyone else the trouble and don't bother queuing at all. Healing WoD is tough, I've done it several times but I also notice people don't seem to DPS enough when they could be helping out a bit. Being that SCH spends their first 30 levels as a DPS and the Conjurer story actually spells out that Healing alone isn't the way to be a conjurer/white mage you'd think some of them would have taken the hint

[ElHeggunte]

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Maybe if people weren't pretending that classes were "just as good as jobs" in this thread or that coordinated groups pulling it off makes it a good idea all the time your passive-aggressive retort would mean more. The idea that classes are "good enough" is also slippery slope reasoning that leads most players (not necessarily the OP or anyone in this thread) to being as mediocre as they are. Of course classes can perform well in the hands of a skilled player, but people like the OP are kind of the exception and not the rule here.

Though this thread also illustrates the point that how well you can do without your stone also depends on your class. The gains you get from your job stone aren't always as superfluous as what you get going from CNJ to WHM. MNK and NIN for example are kind of dependent on the skills they gain from their stone, let alone the not-so-trivial boost in stats.

People also take WoD "seriously" because it takes time and wasted time from people being terrible is frustrating, no matter what the content is. And before someone pipes in with "well the OP wasn't terrible", yes, I know. But again, the OP is the exception here. Most other players trying to do the exact same thing would fail miserably.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Kind of like every tank who insist on a speed run, regardless on whether or not the rest of the party can handle it.

[Elusana_Celah]

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Just because the classes are better, doesn't mean they are a requirement to perform the task efficiently. I don't need to be a white mage to clear Titan normal either. I can do that as a conjurer. White mage is MORE efficient, but conjurer gets the job done all the same with just a little more work on the player.

Only a troll is going to think that a conjurer is better suited to healing than a white mage so you can safely ignore them. All I'm stating is that a skilled player can perform his or her job in WoD the same with a conjurer as they can with a white mage. Divine seal, regen, benediction aren't deal breakers. Honestly benediction in WoD isn't needed at all if you're healing properly anyways.

Could a divine seal, swiftcast Medica II help save a raid from death because people are acting like retards? Hmm... not really in WoD no. I main white mage and have healing exp all the way into T13 and have run way too many WoDs to count so I'm merely speaking from experience. The extra efficiency and 30 or so MND gained from being a white mage isn't going to carry the raid in WoD anymore than a conjurer in the hands of a skilled player because WoD just doesn't have serious demands for what a white mage has to offer.

[Aethaeryn]

I'd say about 99% of my commendations go to healers, that being said there are plenty of terrible ones out there just trying to ride by on fast queues. If a person joins a raid without the intent of playing to the best of their ability and using all the tools available to them, then save everyone else the trouble and don't bother queuing at all. Healing WoD is tough, I've done it several times but I also notice people don't seem to DPS enough when they could be helping out a bit. Being that SCH spends their first 30 levels as a DPS and the Conjurer story actually spells out that Healing alone isn't the way to be a conjurer/white mage you'd think some of them would have taken the hint

No, this attitude needs to stop. A healer's job is to heal things. It is OPTIONAL for a healer to dps. It's nice when a healer feels comfortable enough to help contribute to damage dealt, but you should not be pressuring that player to do it. If it's necessary for clearing the latest coil or something, that's different. I personally would be bored to tears if I didn't DPS in dungeons/WoD/etc. on white mage and scholar, but some people prefer to only heal and may not have the experience or coordination to do both.

Anyway, on topic. I had a whole party of friends queue for WoD as classes like two weeks ago, and it actually made WoD feel a little bit more interesting for all of us. I had just spent the entire week running WoD 10+ times per evening trying to get tank coat, so it was nice to do something a little different. No one even noticed until we got to Cloud, and then a couple of people were thanking us for "slowing the run down for everyone" ... But it had been less than 30 minutes and we were already on Cloud, which is a lot faster than most groups I've had in there. Someone else pointed out that all five of our dps were the top five dps too, so I'm not really sure how we were significantly slowing the group.

Would it have been a little faster with us on jobs instead of classes? Of course. WoD would be faster if everyone went on their best geared jobs instead of going on lesser geared ones to try and procure new shinies too, but you'll never see anyone complaining about them intentionally handicapping themselves at the expense of others.