More fun times in WoD

[Kiroh]

If you're going to disregard the way 23 other people may want to run a dungeon, don't be surprised when they single you out. If you want to play as a class, you really don't have any business complaining later. You want to have fun and do something different and that's fine, but don't pretend it's perfectly valid for a whole alliance of other people to have to suck it up and not say anything when they see you intentionally gimping yourself for no reason.

[Kikosho]

..but don't pretend it's perfectly valid for a whole alliance of other people to have to suck it up and not say anything when they see you intentionally gimping yourself for no reason.

Does this mean I can call out all the healers that sit around doing nothing when they can be contributing DPS or WHMS that don't regen the main tank? Or the melee that don't do their positionals on purpose? Or the tanks that fight over aggro or don't pick up adds? Cause they are all intentionally gimping themselves and the alliance. Jobstone is worth crap if people aren't using it to the fullest.

That's not to say I wouldn't raise an eyebrow if I saw someone with a class in content.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Soulstones can be overrated.

So can cockiness. /rolleye

You know that half of the DPS in WoD queues of late auto-AFKs (auto-attacks then afks); it doesn't have anything to do with soulstone or not...its the fact that WoD has no item limit and people farm it for hours on end trying to get one particular item(s) and suffer from "battle fatigue" resulting in Auto-AFKing. Correlation does not mean causation, Science 101...

Also, playing as CNJ you lose out on what roughly an extra Cure II and Cure I (MP wise) at 50. It might not seem like a lot but you state that you wiped on 5-Headed Dragon, however with that extra MP you could've cast Holy or Stone II to aid the DPS, and not had to worry about running out of MP as fast.

Adire, I understand you love classes more than Jobs, its your own opinion, but in group content Jobs > classes. No matter which way you cut it. They are designed to work in tandem with one another (in a group setting). Classes were meant for "jack of all trades" meaning at lower levels they are really good, but once you get into the higher tier content classes will never perform better than a job, period.

Edit: So I guess my point is this. While you say you did good (since you are the only witness to this run who is posting and all we have are your claims) you could have done better. Would it have saved the party? Who knows, because you didn't queue properly and decided instead that trolling a group of random players was more fun than doing said content.

[Gralna]

Edit: So I guess my point is this. While you say you did good (since you are the only witness to this run who is posting and all we have are your claims) you could have done better. Would it have saved the party? Who knows, because you didn't queue properly and decided instead that trolling a group of random players was more fun than doing said content.

I was there, even with myself and my gf dpsin'g the heads as drg and blm, the closest head that came to dying was only at about 20%, could she have pushed the dps on that head up enough to kill it? maybe. Bigger issue though was the other dps doing whatever besides attacking the heads, then turning around and apparently blaming the easy target of someone without a soulstone.

WoD is hardly difficult enough content to warrant min/maxing, I'd even go so far as to say a 24 man alliance of classes could easily complete it.

Regardless of arguments though, seems more like it was an issue of /alliance drama gone to far, than a legitimate case of harassment, which is what my party tried to vote kick her for.

[Adire]

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You're completely missing so many points in my posts that I don't even know how to respond. I'm not being cocky. At all. I'm simply saying I did my job efficiently and did, that's a fact.

I'd love to get a source for this "half of the DPS auto afk". From what I usually see, people just don't play their class well and don't understand mechanics, or don't try. And if they do "auto-afk", that's far more of a problem than what I did. And honestly, if they are going to sit there and auto attack, I really don't want to carry them. I fail to see what this has to do with me at all anyways.

Someone posted on the last page who was in the run with me and even backed up my claim that I wasn't the problem.

I never said I think classes are better than jobs, much less that I "love" them, so that point is completely moot. Feel free to quote me if I'm recalling incorrectly. Given our last discussion on another thread and you never quoting what I said when you made something up that I supposedly said, I have doubts you will though. Not to mention, this whole time I've been saying that I wanted to challenge myself. If I thought classes were better than jobs, why would I go as a class to challenge myself? Saying people said things that they never said is not cool, hopefully you'll become aware of this one day.

Hopefully me saying "Soulstones can be overrated" wasn't misread by you as me saying "Soulstones are overrated". A few words can change the entire meaning of a sentence. Not to mention, me saying that was referring to the fact that I was looked upon with doubt at the beginning due to not having a soulstone, when the doubt would have been more accurately placed on the problem dps players who did have soulstones. This fact means whether or not someone has a soulstone can be deceiving of their contribution, i.e. soulstones can be overrated.

When we wiped the first time, the heads had plenty of remaining health. Enough that my holy would not have made a difference most likely without emptying my MP severely, and that's assuming I even had enough time to get enough holies off, which as Gralna said, the lowest one had 20% HP when Discordance finished. And expecting one healer to make up for en masse dps failure is quite unreasonable. And the second time I was silenced, so couldn't have holy'd in the first place.

Please read better before posting about things...I realize it's trendy to bash me and twist my words without reading though, so whatever floats your boat I guess? But saying something without understanding the things being said already isn't a good thing to do, and know that you at least missed Gralna's post, so I wouldn't be surprised if you missed more.

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Thank you Gralna, maybe people will listen to you. You speak the truth!

I didn't even know they had tried to vote kick me. That's pretty disappointing considering I wasn't at fault for the wipes and did my job as a healer quite well. Oh well, had they kicked me they would have saved me some time and still wiped again, as the problem would not have been dealt with.

Thank you for being one of the few people with sense, awareness, skill, and good judgement in that group!

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Again, I was aware I would be singled out. And I was fine with that, I was fine with proving my worth as long as I was given the chance, and I did prove it. I'm not complaining about anything except the blame being cast at me for wipes that were in no way my fault. Do you consider this blame to be fair? Is scapegoating acceptable behavior?

I would certainly hope not, though nothing surprises me on the forums these days.

[Lisotte]

Meh, I've occasionally thought of unequipping my job stone and going it as a class for shits and giggles, but just no matter what you do, not having your job equipped makes people feel instantly feel nervous. Doesn't matter if you can still do just fine on that class, doesn't matter if the group sucking isn't due to you, but that's going to immediately (probably falsely) think that someone playing CNJ is the source of the problem.

I'm not saying it's right, but I would take making my group feel more comfortable over messing around without my soulstone.

[Parodine]

To some extent, I see why people would be mad...but like, why would SE let people queue as classes at all for 24 man dungeons if it gimped things that badly. And in good ilvl gear, CNJ is fine.

Now, I would never do that because I'm super lazy at heart and Divine Seal + Regen lets me do chores. But for WoD content, I might roll my eyes at first, but if you do your job, hey, cool.

[Gralna]

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np, just corroborating your story with what I saw, but honestly wasn't expecting much from that alliance. The Immaturity level was high from the start, with people spamming <se.#>, pulls starting before even half the alliance had crossed barrier, tanks epeening over aggro, makes me wish we could have a cross server preferred list and choose to queue from it.

[Evangela]

It doesn't matter if you're a good healer. playing as CNJ instead of WHM is pointless. you claimed you're good but you still can be better with the soul crystal.

[Adire]

It doesn't matter if you're a good healer. playing as CNJ instead of WHM is pointless. you claimed you're good but you still can be better with the soul crystal.

I play for fun. I played as a CNJ for my entertainment and challenge and did my job well.

So no, it wasn't pointless, nor did it cause any harm.

And again, short of holying but wiping anyways, which would have happened and made that effort be in vain, nor should I be expected to make up for massive dps failure as a healer in WoD, I wouldn't have been better with the soul crystal in WoD. I didn't need the emergency heals or the regen and the group needed a lot more than me holying a few times to finish off the dragon heads.

Unless you think overhealing is playing better of course! A lot of healers seem to think that.