More fun times in WoD

[Adire]

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Well, have you seen Kiroh's posts? His first post in the topic was quite aggressive, though he wasn't the only one immediately being hostile towards me to be fair. He was even lying (or at least misunderstanding) about things that I supposedly said in other posts, attempting to make me look foolish or like the villain, to gather support. That's a very underhanded debate tactic.

He even unwittingly revealed his misunderstanding of how insignificant the stats really are that WHM gives over CNJ with the pictures he posted comparing stats. Passionately defending a stance without being informed, to the point where you act as if your opponent is misinformed when they actually aren't, is quite insulting to your opponent.

So if any aggression did leak into my responses that I did not notice, don't you think it was a little justified? Though I find my posts to be assertive in my defense against militant people such as Kiroh posting in offense. I did not seek them out to insult their gameplay choice, doubt their skill, or fuss about something that harmed no one after all, they did come to me however, and Kiroh's very first post was aggressive and contained unfounded character doubts, assuming my intent was to "disregard 23 other people" for example, despite the fact that I still played my best, which proved to be more than enough. Going in with serious doubts or lack of experience about my abilities or not trying my best would have been disregarding the people.

I have not responded strongly to people who have not been combative either. I've been passive with people who have also been passive.

Debates aren't known for having the most tense-free atmospheres, and being overly passive in a debate is a great thing for your opponent to take advantage of, especially when your opponent is being aggressive and prodding at your character. And lying in attempts to get support is really quite childish, and misunderstanding but standing by inaccurate posts that still make your opponent look falsely bad isn't much better.

[Rendecrow]

No offense Adire, but your post above is what the others in this thread are talking about. Your replies to this topic come off as strongly defensive and off-putting.


Out of posts for the day so I'll have to edit my post, but this other poster sums it up nicely:

Kiroh is right that the tone of responses is just weird.

Your tone just feels off. When I read your posts I don't really feel like we are having a discussion, but rather a one sided debate. Either posters are "with you" and you sing praises their way, or if someone suggests that maybe there could have been something different you could do you suddenly get super defensive and start calling people hostile even if that person was not hostile...

EDIT: No need to post any examples, Ive read every post. Some of them are probably stronger than they should have been, but none of them were really hostile. Your responses on the other hand are super defensive.

[Adire]

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How so Rende? I'm not seeing a problem with anything I posted above...I'm only defending myself from wrongful things done/said to me, as one should do in a debate.

I can even quote and explain some instances of unwarranted aggression, lying, and ignorance shown to me if you like.

We are having a discussion though. I, along with people who agree with me (even someone who was actually there agrees with me, if anyone's word should be taken, it's theirs), have been responding with facts and experiences of our own.

And isn't that what a debate is? People on different sides debating why they're on each side, attempting to prove their points? I praise people I agree with, yes, but so has the other side.

And I haven't been super defensive against people who have not been super offensive. I have not called everyone hostile, only the people who have approached me with immediate hostility or endorsed willful ignorance, such as Kiroh. Your original post was posted in a non-hostile manner, I responded in a non-hostile manner.

And I'm sorry you see my posts as more hostile than some of the ones here. Even though some people have outright lied, endorsed willful ignorance, assumed the worst of my intentions, and one person even called me a noob. I've only intended to be assertive against the hostility shown by the people doing these things.

[Teryaani]

Well, have you seen Kiroh's posts? His first post in the topic was quite aggressive, though he wasn't the only one immediately being hostile towards me to be fair. He was even lying (or at least misunderstanding) about things that I supposedly said in other posts, attempting to make me look foolish or like the villain, to gather support. That's a very underhanded debate tactic.

You said you did it because you were bored. Let's not have any illusions as to how that sounds. Sometimes people get bent when they see what looks like someone trolling the run. You didn't cause a wipe as you did your part (working harder than you needed to), but let's not pretend that in a small way you weren't screwing around. I wouldn't take issue with you, but other's do. Knee-jerk reaction, see below.

He even unwittingly revealed his misunderstanding of how insignificant the stats really are that WHM gives over CNJ with the pictures he posted comparing stats. Passionately defending a stance without being informed, to the point where you act as if your opponent is misinformed when they actually aren't, is quite insulting to your opponent.

Just reiterate the point. You were goofing off (by working harder than you needed to) and it didn't have a negative impact on the run. It could have, and I'd bet that most people doing the content in classes do have a somewhat negative impact.

So if any aggression did leak into my responses that I did not notice, don't you think it was a little justified?

Did you check my response to Elusana? Don't you think that, with the rash of terrible runs people are dealing with that some folks are justified in being annoyed if the see a potential troll? Yes it's a knee-jerk reaction, but at least there's precedent for why they have it. You didn't live up to the bad expectation, and that's good on you, but there's a reason people have it.

Debates aren't known for having the most tense-free atmospheres, and being overly passive in a debate is a great thing for your opponent to take advantage of, especially when your opponent is being aggressive and prodding at your character. And lying in attempts to get support is really quite childish, and misunderstanding but standing by inaccurate posts that still make your opponent look falsely bad isn't much better.

Of course they aren't. And as it continues the tone starts to sound much worse and there comes a desire to win the argument. I do it all the time even though i know there is no possible way to win any argument here or anywhere else on the internet. The competitive switch is flipped and I have to step back.

[Aethaeryn]

defensive

Seriously, though. It's pretty easy to come off a bit 'defensive' when someone is blatantly lying and putting words in your mouth.

[Keyln]

You know, I'd love to see a run using only classes.

And, dudes, it's WoD, not coil. People should lighten up. You don't need to play optimally all the time.

[Adire]

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People do different things when they're bored. In my case, I needed to do WoD, but didn't want to do the usual, boring, WHM grind. So I went in to challenge myself and to get some variety, not because I wanted to troll or screw around.

If the people in the run had given me about 10 minutes to show that I would be fine at my job before resulting to bashing and immaturity, they would have known that. In the end, they just made themselves look silly.

Edit: I understand completely if people would have thought I was a troll in that run at first. I was expecting people to accuse me of it even, though I knew they'd be wrong about me causing problems in the end. The very vocal people who were bashing me personally only made fools of themselves though. A real life sigh, with maybe questions in the game for my decision to queue as a CNJ (as one person did in the group) would have been the best reactions. They would have prevented themselves from looking silly when I did my job well if they had reacted this way. The people screaming noob ended up making themselves look silly when they screwed up though.

People on the forums however have the advantage of hindsight. The people who are blaming me for things here know better, yet still continue to do so. I understand people in that run being more skeptical of me at first because they did not know any better, they did not know if I would cause problems. People on the forums here know that I did my job (supported even by a witness to the run) and did not cause problems and some are still accusing me of not doing a good enough job.

[Parodine]

You know, I'd love to see a run using only classes.

And, dudes, it's WoD, not coil. People should lighten up. You don't need to play optimally all the time.

This, seriously. I would roll my eyes at anyone popping potions and food in WoD compared to someone playing as a class and actually doing well.

[dughug]

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