More fun times in WoD

[Kiroh]

If you're going to disregard the way 23 other people may want to run a dungeon, don't be surprised when they single you out. If you want to play as a class, you really don't have any business complaining later. You want to have fun and do something different and that's fine, but don't pretend it's perfectly valid for a whole alliance of other people to have to suck it up and not say anything when they see you intentionally gimping yourself for no reason.

[Kikosho]

..but don't pretend it's perfectly valid for a whole alliance of other people to have to suck it up and not say anything when they see you intentionally gimping yourself for no reason.

Does this mean I can call out all the healers that sit around doing nothing when they can be contributing DPS or WHMS that don't regen the main tank? Or the melee that don't do their positionals on purpose? Or the tanks that fight over aggro or don't pick up adds? Cause they are all intentionally gimping themselves and the alliance. Jobstone is worth crap if people aren't using it to the fullest.

That's not to say I wouldn't raise an eyebrow if I saw someone with a class in content.

[Kiroh]

Does this mean I can call out all the healers that sit around doing nothing when they can be contributing DPS or WHMS that don't regen the main tank? Or the melee that don't do their positionals on purpose? Or the tanks that fight over aggro or don't pick up adds? Cause they are all intentionally gimping themselves and the alliance. Jobstone is worth crap if people aren't using it to the fullest.

That's not to say I wouldn't raise an eyebrow if I saw someone with a class in content.

There is a huge difference between mishandling job/role mechanics and outright removing stats. Going into a duty as a class isn't the equivalent of playing poorly, players on classes can play perfectly well and people on jobs can play poorly. It's the equivalent of removing your body armor and leaving an empty slot because you think it's fun. There's no reason to do it and it's going to make you a target because of that.

If you do well without a job stone equipped, you can do even better with one.

Again, I was aware I would be singled out. And I was fine with that, I was fine with proving my worth as long as I was given the chance, and I did prove it. I'm not complaining about anything except the blame being cast at me for wipes that were in no way my fault. Do you consider this blame to be fair? Is scapegoating acceptable behavior?

I would certainly hope not, though nothing surprises me on the forums these days.

If you have honestly never before been blamed for a wipe that wasn't your fault in DF, you have led a very charmed life in FFXIV. If you think you have some kind of a right to not be subjected to words from strangers on the internet that offend you, you've led a very charmed life outside of FFXIV.

If you know you didn't cause the wipe, why should what they say bother you enough to start a thread to complain about it?

[Adire]

If you have honestly never before been blamed for a wipe that wasn't your fault in DF, you have led a very charmed life in FFXIV. If you think you have some kind of a right to not be subjected to words from strangers on the internet that offend you, you've led a very charmed life outside of FFXIV.

If you know you didn't cause the wipe, why should what they say bother you enough to start a thread to complain about it?

Did you read anything I said, at all?

I never said that I've never wrongly been blamed for a wipe, ever. Quote me and prove that I said this if I'm wrong.

I never said that I should be exempt from criticism, in fact, I just admitted that I knew I would be criticized and it did not phase me. Quote me and prove that I said this if I'm wrong. Your assumptions are very out there, to say the least.

And I am not complaining about anything that occurred except the obvious false blame, particularly in this case because of how striking it is to blame a healer who is doing a good job healing for a dps check not even being close to being met due to dps dying to mechanics, not playing their job well, and not attacking the right things.

Sharing a story that I find amusing does not = complaining, and the one complaint I have made (the completely illogical false blame) is a completely legitimate one. And even with that, it's not that big of a deal to me. I had my laughs after the second wipe. Even if I had been kicked, they would have gone on to wipe yet again if their play did not considerably change.

Someone who was in the run and witnessed everything even posted, mentioning their observations of how poorly the dps were playing and how wrongfully I was being blamed, and yet you still use this old argument.

Do you understand now?

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yo cat, pass a CNJ sista some a dat corn. we gon need it!

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Funny how that works isn't it? You guys were the supposed trolls, yet only you and a few others even bothered attempting to fight. I wonder how many people on this thread would have a similar reaction? Probably many given the fuss going on already over one CNJ that caused no harm!

[Kiroh]

Did you read anything I said, at all?

What is the point of this thread then? You say you're not upset, but every time someone doesn't agree with you, you just get snippy and passive-aggressive. If you're not upset then get over it and stop worrying about why some random strangers blamed you for the wipe. If you're not upset then don't waste your time posting this kind of thread to begin with. If you're not upset, then stop getting upset.

[Adire]

What is the point of this thread then? You say you're not upset, but every time someone doesn't agree with you, you just get snippy and passive-aggressive. If you're not upset then get over it and stop worrying about why some random strangers blamed you for the wipe. If you're not upset then don't waste your time posting this kind of thread to begin with. If you're not upset, then stop getting upset.

Most of that post made no sense at all, but okay. Why would I need to "stop being upset" if I'm not upset?

I am not being passive aggressive so much as I am defending my stance from people, some of whom are even attempting to claim I said things that I didn't say. There is no lower a debate tactic than that one.

And as I've said numerous times already. The point of this thread was to share my story to hopefully amuse people as much as it amused me and to remind people to think and give people a chance before crying "noob!" It is not to complain, it is not to get pity.

As people continue to prove however, people don't read or at least don't understand my posts' points or people's posts who are agreeing with me, despite the proof we have that our stance makes sense, but it doesn't surprise me really.

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Again, both me and the other healer in my party were pretty much babysitting other parties. I didn't cause anyone to have to do any extra work. My CNJ heals were more than sufficient and prevented anyone from dying that I noticed was about to die with the exception of instant kill mechanics that people failed to address.

I understand your point, but it does not apply to this situation. WoD does not have a steady, severe, unavoidable raidwide damage output. Any damage that people take that is not lethal can be sufficiently healed with CNJ heals in time, assuming gear is exceptional (as mine is).

Overhealing is all that would have resulted from me being a WHM, and overhealing is useless, no matter what some people seem to believe.

[Kiroh]

Most of that post made no sense at all, but okay. Why would I need to "stop being upset" if I'm not upset?

I am not being passive aggressive so much as I am defending my stance from people, some of whom are even attempting to claim I said things that I didn't say. There is no lower a debate tactic than that one.

And as I've said numerous times already. The point of this thread was to share my story to hopefully amuse people as much as it amused me and to remind people to think and give people a chance before crying "noob!"

As people continue to prove however, people don't read or at least don't understand my posts' points or people's posts who are agreeing with me, despite the proof we have that our stance makes sense, but it doesn't surprise me really.

Honestly, with the kind of attitude you have in this thread I'm starting to feel more and more sympathetic towards the DF group. You're personality really does not do you any favors.

[Kiroh]

Overhealing is all that would have resulted from me being a WHM...

With soulstone :


Same gear without soulstone :


You absolutely gimped yourself for no reason whatsoever and your "I know better than you" attitude despite failing to grasp basic concepts like Soulstones = more base stats is why they were pissed at you.