Heavensward lore nuggets from the new website!

[LycorisSelunis]

I think the "act as beacons to guide the meek through darkness" part was quite dumb. I remember how some people complained that a "Rogue" in this game is basically just another goody two-shoes who follows a code and protects the weak etc., I found it funny at the time - but that now even the Dark Knight class is painted as purely good is just lame.

I find the rogue/dark knight thing to reflect a philosophy that I have always followed-the power is just a tool, and it depends how you use it. The dark knight in particular would paint you as someone who can grapple with the dark power and master it instead of letting it corrupt you, which sounds stronger to me. That's just my opinion though.

[Bombast]

Based on the actions of the player character both in the main story quest and all sidequests the players are all goody two-shoes that protect the meek and smile and nod at every opportunity. Since we have no influence as to what kind of actions the player character will take in the story, I suspect we will never see a playable job that isn't painted as purely good.

Thats the character though.

All the classes and jobs so far, besides BLM, have essential been about goodie two shoes teaching us how to goodie two shoe our way through their job. Dark Knight would have been an excellent opportunity to add a job that was portrayed a bit more evilly, or at least a bit less good.

Just because we're always good, doesn't mean everything we touch has to be golden.

Afterthought: The Paladin quest actually features the most 'Evil' people of a player character job. Isn't that weird?

[Alacran]

With so many people voicing for an option of an "Evil Dark Knight", few have given an example of how that would be portrayed. What would that entail exactly? As it stands (in the lore of FFXIV) Dark Knights punish those those that believe themselves out side of law (an aspect I enjoy immensely), however this seems to be not "Dark" enough... What then is the purpose of a Dark Knight? Why would anyone let them into their party to quest through a dungeon to stop an evil within? Would they destroy the evil with their evil...er power? Why would anyone help you to grow stronger if your "edgy evilness" was so palpable?

[Cilia]

I really don't know either. I mean you're basically a mix between the historical Dark (Black) Knight and Batman. Totes making an Au Ra to play Dark Knight.

I think it's because the scenario universally portrays the PC as an upstanding, righteous hero, and playing a Dark Knight won't deviate from that. People want a PC that isn't the "righteous hero" type, but due to the fact the devs can't develop a more "neutral" or "evil" campaign, every class has to be unambiguously heroic. Or something like that.

[Bombast]

With so many people voicing for an option of an "Evil Dark Knight", few have given an example of how that would be portrayed. What would that entail exactly? As it stands (in the lore of FFXIV) Dark Knights punish those those that believe themselves out side of law (an aspect I enjoy immensely), however this seems to be not "Dark" enough... What then is the purpose of a Dark Knight? Why would anyone let them into their party to quest through a dungeon to stop an evil within? Would they destroy the evil with their evil...er power? Why would anyone help you to grow stronger if your "edgy evilness" was so palpable?

Theirs two basic Black Knight types in Final Fantasy - Rogue Knights (What we got) and Knights who use the power of darkness (Which doesn't necessarily make them 'evil').

I was hoping we'd get the FF4 type of Dark Knight - a class where one risk their soul for the power of darkness, which they either bow too, or try to tame and use for good purposes. All the Cecil gear got my hopes up, but instead we got, as others said, Batman. This version of the Dark Knight is, of course, completely valid and in line with Final Fantasy. It's just not what I was hoping for.

[Cilia]

I was hoping we'd get the FF4 type of Dark Knight - a class where one risk their soul for the power of darkness, which they either bow too, or try to tame and use for good purposes.

There's nothing saying that won't be the case. No matter the game, Dark Knights all wield the power of darkness - and the power of darkness is tied to either the Void or Zodiark in XIV. It's likely dangerous to use either way.

Can't really learn more until Heavensward launches though.

[Belhi]

Theirs two basic Black Knight types in Final Fantasy - Rogue Knights (What we got) and Knights who use the power of darkness (Which doesn't necessarily make them 'evil').

I was hoping we'd get the FF4 type of Dark Knight - a class where one risk their soul for the power of darkness, which they either bow too, or try to tame and use for good purposes. All the Cecil gear got my hopes up, but instead we got, as others said, Batman. This version of the Dark Knight is, of course, completely valid and in line with Final Fantasy. It's just not what I was hoping for.

To be honest, I think they kind of went along 'mastering the power lest it master you' thing with warrior where one of the key aspects of its narrative was controlling the inner beast lest it turn you into a mindless beast. While I hope they do tap into the mastering the darkness thing, I would like to see a bit of a different narrative.

I'm actually expecting the DK narrative to be more about the actions rather than the source of power making one evil.

[gamesmart]

To be honest, I think they kind of went along 'mastering the power lest it master you' thing with warrior where one of the key aspects of its narrative was controlling the inner beast lest it turn you into a mindless beast. While I hope they do tap into the mastering the darkness thing, I would like to see a bit of a different narrative.

I'm actually expecting the DK narrative to be more about the actions rather than the source of power making one evil.

To add on to this, that same theme was used in the Dragoon job questline - a certain NPC was corrupted by the power of a certain artifact, and you had to bring him back to earth (heh).

They've already used it twice, so I can see Dark Knight's story going in a different direction, complete with several Batman references (because it has to be done, right?).

[Alacran]

To add on to this, that same theme was used in the Dragoon job questline - a certain NPC was corrupted by the power of a certain artifact, and you had to bring him back to earth (heh).

They've already used it twice, so I can see Dark Knight's story going in a different direction, complete with several Batman references (because it has to be done, right?).

I can see many of the job quest having Batman themed titles, possibly a corrupt church official mirroring Kefka (thought i was gonna say someone else huh?). Wonder how far we'll get before "The Dark Knight rises", "knight Fall", "Return of the Dark Knight", "The hero we deserve but not the one we needed", "The Dark Knight". Despite my own previous post i will admit I am a fan of the comics/ movies.

[Vexander]

To be fair, there isn't really a reason that Dark Knights couldn't be portrayed as fearsome figures, driven by ambition and their own personal interpretations of right and wrong, who mete out, "Justice," indiscriminately and with brutal, sometimes cruel efficiency. Sure, a Dark Knight killing a bunch of bandits makes sense and works just fine with what we have now. But, what about a dark knight who kills a homeless, destitute person just trying to feed their children by stealing from a vendor? When confronted by the fact the man/woman they just killed had hungry mouths to feed, their response can be cold. "They'll be better off in an Orphanage than suffering under a failed parent."

Seems pretty dark and borderline evil, no? I mean, technically, they're still bringing, "Justice," by stopping a Thief, but the lack of empathy or any modicum of mercy is pretty dark.