That moment when...

[lololink]

Then I'll ask the same question I ask there:

What in the world is so interesting that it takes people so long to walk up a flight of stair... or in the case of WoD: across a rainbow bridge?

Because most people are doing this half AFK, and then you have to wait for them and get kicked if you pulled and they aren't here yet, there even are teleports, but still there are going to be people slacking off and it's not their fault if they are sleeping of course ! Once I had a guy that was going to afk and I almost got kick because I pulled trash while he wasn't here, and the guy could have totally afk in the battle arena but it seemed to be too hard. Making 23 people wait for 1 is all right it seems.

[Dalmacus]

Wow, i'm really shocked to see this. I'm from a JP server and i had hardly any of this problems you guys face in the NA servers.

[Risvertasashi]

Then I'll ask the same question I ask there:

What in the world is so interesting that it takes people so long to walk up a flight of stair... or in the case of WoD: across a rainbow bridge?

Honestly, it's probably your (and those like lololink's) attitudes more than actual actions that would result in people trying to kick you.

And, believe me, people being semi AFK in these dungeons frustrates me to no end. Nonetheless, it's not an all clear to be a jerk about it. (And sometimes it's just people sorting out their loot rolls, healers cleaning up, etc)

[Kyonika]

"that moment when..." you realize you are playing on an English-speaking NA server.

Like the poster above, I too play on a JP server and never experience this level of trolling, rudeness or otherwise 指示厨 (shi-ji-chu) behaviour.

[Ayrie]

Honestly, it's probably your (and those like lololink's) attitudes more than actual actions that would result in people trying to kick you.

And, believe me, people being semi AFK in these dungeons frustrates me to no end. Nonetheless, it's not an all clear to be a jerk about it. (And sometimes it's just people sorting out their loot rolls, healers cleaning up, etc)

I never said anything about being kicked, lol. If there have been dismissal attempts they haven't passed.

In fact I would say in excess of 80% of my runs are successful. There are a few I wish would abandon or dismiss me, but I don't act like a jerk. No one has thick skin and there are so many people looking for a cause to champion (like yourself) that I figure it just isn't worth getting into.

I do, however, take the time to point out things like why it takes people 4 minutes to walk 30 yalms to the next gate.

[Ayrie]

"that moment when..." you realize you are playing on an English-speaking NA server.

Like the poster above, I too play on a JP server and never experience this level of trolling, rudeness or otherwise 指示厨 (shi-ji-chu) behaviour.

I've ran with plenty of Japanese players in FFXI and I can tell you the difference:

When they hit join queue button or otherwise commit to something, they take that commitment seriously.

They tend to not inflict themselves on the rest of the group (like some NA people think they can get away with).

There are exceptions, but the concept of face (how they appear to their peers) means more to them.

[KyteStones]

I do WoD at least 3 to 5 times a day and I have yet to come across any of these issues everyone has been posting. No greed parties, no vote kicking, none of it. i guess I'm just fortunate. I need on what I do need, and pass on what I really have no use for. I have the i130 BLM chest, I'm not rolling on the i120, i100, or i80 pieces because having all classes to 50, I just don't have the space for it and I could care less about vanity.

As for people zerging LotA and CT, if you ilevel is 105 or above, there's no reason you can't zerg it. Skeletons for the Dragon is cake to heal through in all the runs it's agreed to nto even bother with them really. Communication between the group and healers keeps everyone alive. I even have macros to ensure the communication goes off with out a problem. Sure some people don't listen and they die, but the rest are alive and well and the fight continues.


While i feel for the new players who can't get the whole "I don't do coil co this is as good as it is for me" enjoyment of running these raids, but at the same time, it's honestly a very good way of preparing them for what they are about to become. Just like the rest of the zerg party.

[Erendis]

When WoD started, I did see people trying to kick someone for nothing now and then, but after loot limit was removed it somehow stopped. I do not see people with bad attitude too (if you do not count tanks that refuse to tank adds).

[Kyonika]

I've ran with plenty of Japanese players in FFXI and I can tell you the difference:

When they hit join queue button or otherwise commit to something, they take that commitment seriously.

They tend to not inflict themselves on the rest of the group (like some NA people think they can get away with).

There are exceptions, but the concept of face (how they appear to their peers) means more to them.

True, but it's also 仕方ない (it can't be helped).

They may not want to group with us EN players (we may not be their first choice of teammates or anything), but they will run it if the DF groups us with them, and they will try to make the most of it by being respectful (even though, behind the surface, they may just be putting up with us out of politeness hoping and praying EN player doesn't snap and go crazy mid run).

I always do my best to be respectful of my teammates and fitting in. Because, quite frankly, it's quite sad when a group run ends early (and incomplete) because of "shijichu" behaviour -- and of all the groups I've been in (back in the early days of 2.0 that is), it was always an EN player being shijichu.

[Adrian74]

While I wouldn't personally kick you for doing these, it's not hard for me to see why they would annoy people.

In the first case, "Foe Requiem exists" implies that the Bard doesn't know Foe Requiem exists. You're telling the bard that he doesn't know his job. It's not hard to see why the bard would be annoyed by this, and if the others in the party were the bard's friends, it's not hard to see why they'd agree to kick you. A better way to go about it would have been to say, "May I have Foe Requiem, please?" There's still folks out there sensitive enough to be offended even by that, but they'd have less justification, and you'd have a better story to tell the forum.

In the second case, it comes across as bragging. Additionally, if you spam it a lot, then folks would get tired of it fast - in fact, ANY frequently-used macro that also has chat text is going to get very tiresome, very fast. I'm guessing, though, that you only use it once per dungeon - in which case, the question would be WHY? Why is this information important for other players to know? Perhaps you ARE bragging?

Well... In the first case, while laughing a little with the raid people, I joked with "Maybe I should have said 'Hi dear Bard, I don't want to be unrespectful but, do you perhaps know that Foe Requiem is a skill that reduces the magic vulnerability of our enemies by 10%? And it doesn't reduce you 20% damage like the other songs... so... could you use it?"

But... for language economy, and, already tired at that moment, I just decided to "Foe Requiem exists"... That they indeed took bad... Heh...

About the second case... Well, the spam is only once in a dungeon, and sometimes... People likes to brag about many things, their coil stuff, their Final Witness tittle, etc... Everyone have their tastes, my obsession are the relic weapons and so, I like to have a macro showing my progress with it (It was at the first time for having track of my own relics, sometimes used to forget which step was which... Too many of them, after it, evolved to make it my salute macro)
Of course I could also just use The Final Witness tittle and that stuff, but, hey, my tastes. (I personally would not kick someone for such a thing, but I already know that macro has 'AGGRO MAX')