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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    U.S. trials? I really would not want an U.S. trial. You end up in a prison on Cuba there or killed by a drone...
    Just... what? Yeah, cause every single criminal ends up in freaking Guantanamo Bay.

    And drones... just... what are you even on about? o.O

    Quote Originally Posted by Alise View Post
    I really wish that we would have different choice in situation like this. Usually dragon age origin series would offer this kind of choice.

    1.Fight
    2.flee
    3.let them capture.
    The biggest problem there lies in allocating the resources to do three completely different cutscene sequences.
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  2. #62
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    We are no enemy of the state. They can't do this. The way it is now ( even while it makes not much sense) is, that the Sultana is ill. That means we did exactly NOTHING.

    That's the official situation. They can't blame her death on us as it is.

    It does all not fit together. If you accept one thing, the other becomes a problem and so on. As said at the beginning: some little changes and all would make much more sense. As it is it got a lot of not so nice plot holes.

    Hope the solution to all this will propitiate.

    To provoke the putschists with our public appearance would help Limsi, Gridania AND Uldah a lot. An Uldah ruled by the most corrupt part of the Syndicat alone is no ally, but a threat to itself and Eorza. Limsi and Gridania needs Uldah and Uldah needs the alliance, too, but this can't work under this condition. Both Kan and Merl can't allow the success of this coup, it would be devastating for them and their cities. That got nothing to do with us. Sure, without the WoL many people will die who would have lived else. We have saved so many people doing our quests, leves and of course the main story. But the real threat is not even the elimination of the WoL (while it could become a problem, who knows), the real and direct threat for Limsi and Gridania is this coup.

    It's like a germany, in which a Hitler comes to power... oh, sure, maybe this guy will be fine and simply help us against the "communist menace", I mean against the Garleans, as promised. Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Just... what? Yeah, cause every single criminal ends up in freaking Guantanamo Bay.

    And drones... just... what are you even on about? o.O.
    Drones are killing people without any trial. The leader of the USA is putting them on a list, no one knows exactly why and then people die. Many innocent. In a country far, far away. Oh sure, I really would like have such a "trial". Someone calls you a terrorist and then something you can not even see is killing you. If you want a little start into that matter, google for Last Week Tonight: Drones.

    The leader of Uldah wanted to declare us a terrorist. So if they would treat us like the USA, we would end up in Guantanamo or shredded by a drone. No, thanks.
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    Last edited by RobinRethiel; 04-16-2015 at 02:17 AM.

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    Wait, so Lolorito now wants blond lalafells to rule the world? Did I miss something in the cutscenes cause things are starting to get downright wierd.
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  4. #64
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    It's not the definition of fascism to want the world be ruled by blond people.
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    The Eorzean Alliance needs a standing Ul'dah, not a Ul'dah in ruins. Using force to remove the Monetarists would require open war against Ul'dah which would weaken it tremendously. Further, removal of the Monetarists without the support of the public would leave a huge power and money vacuum. The Monetarists bankroll a lot of Ul'dah's armed forces. To remove them and have any hope of keeping Ul'dah from decending into chaos, the people would need to want the Monetarists overthrown by force. That situation doesn't exist at the moment.

    Garlemald is on the cusp of a new invasion, this time fully supported by the emperor. The city states cant waste man power and resources trying to force Ul'dah into a different state against the will of it's people. For the Monetarists to be overthrown, the hearts and minds of the people is the battlefield that needs to be won and that cant be done by brute force and ignoring Ul'dah's laws and sovereignty. Do remember Germany was under occupation for a very long time after the war. That's what usually ends up happening when a foreign power forces a change of ruler.

    While they have been secretive about the details of the crimes we are accused of we are wanted fugatives by Ul'dah. The Monetarists have used the law in their favour. Infact they have been very careful to make all their public actions and comments well within the law. We are the law breakers. The fact we are certain not to get a fair trial means that our actions make sense but from a legal perspective, they have covered their bases and played us very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    Hitler
    Godwin's Law. Your argument is invalid. Thread over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    Drones are killing people without any trial. The leader of the USA is putting them on a list, no one knows exactly why and then people die. Many innocent. In a country far, far away. Oh sure, I really would like have such a "trial". Someone calls you a terrorist and then something you can not even see is killing you. If you want a little start into that matter, google for Last Week Tonight: Drones.

    The leader of Uldah wanted to declare us a terrorist. So if they would treat us like the USA, we would end up in Guantanamo or shredded by a drone. No, thanks.
    Why send drones when you have these:



    But seriously, what does any of this even have to do with the current discussion?

    It feels a little bit tinfoil hat up in here. :|
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 04-16-2015 at 04:52 AM.

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    Oh wow...

    If I see one more person complaining that they wanted to bust their way out of Ul'Dah leaving behind a pile of Crystal Brave and Brass Blade corpses, I'm gonna scream =O
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark View Post
    Oh wow...

    If I see one more person complaining that they wanted to bust their way out of Ul'Dah leaving behind a pile of Crystal Brave and Brass Blade corpses, I'm gonna scream =O
    Better prepare your lungs, coz it's gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    Drones are killing people without any trial. The leader of the USA is putting them on a list, no one knows exactly why and then people die. Many innocent. In a country far, far away. Oh sure, I really would like have such a "trial". Someone calls you a terrorist and then something you can not even see is killing you. If you want a little start into that matter, google for Last Week Tonight: Drones.
    Seriously? Seriously? Are you by chance one of the exceedingly rare 0.000000000000001% of middle eastern citizens that actually play MMOs? Because that "List" you speak of is for High Ranking Terrorist that are on the Interpol wanted list also known as "The Terrorist Deck". And that list was started by H.W. Bush during the initial conflicts with the middle east during Saddam's Rule of Iraq. The lists (Thats right there's more than one) that Obama is currently making are the foundation of databases for privet information of citizens (Criminal Records, Medical Records, Financial Records, ect) and a national registry of every one in the country who owns or ever has owned a firearm or any kind of ammunition.

    Honestly I don't know who told you this BS but you need to unfriend them or something because they are telling you a pack of lies and Anti-America propaganda.
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