The final part of ARR story doesn't make enough sense.

[Dererk]

Its starting to get sad now lol I think pretty much half here says the story and reasons we ran wer fine others want to lock up all the writers in a remote place and threaten to kill them if they don't re write it while they sit quietly and suck their thumb and when they are at last done the people will still throw a hissy fit saying no no no no you can't do that.

why we ran chance of doing anything but will result in a civil war in Ul Dah leaving Eorzea weakened.

[Kaiser-Ace]

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Robin, I'm only going to respond to you one more time as you're beginning to bore me by willingly ignoring any thing but the fact that we can prove why we couldn't stay and fight.

You mentioned something being wrong with my assessment on archers, so I'll go ahead and enlighten every one to the fact that I am an Archer IRL and have been for almost 10 years.

Now it only takes one shot to kill some one if well aimed, in humans it is The Neck (A hard to hit sweet spot and near instant death), The Chest (Takes about 10-15s to die) The Spleen and Liver (Not instantly fatal but will kill via blood loss in an around one Hour) and the Arm pit and Groin (Both of which are difficult and circumstantial "Lucky Shots" that will cause fatal blood loss in about 5-10 minutes).

So then there are plenty of ways to disable and or maim with arrows like when they shot Tancred's knee. One archer wouldn't be able to kill us all but we saw at least 4 aiming for Thancred and any medieval style standing army will have a Dedicated Archer regiment. (The God's Quiver in Gridania being a specialized Archer Corp.) So they had enough archers to do the job. Even if they had one archer per scion they could have taken us down easily. It's the 12th Century equivalent of bringing a knife (or sword in this case) to a gun fight. And even if the PC was a Bard or Archer, that's 1 vs an Army. Still not good odds since they would have been surrounded and over run by ground troops while targeting other archers.

Most of our problems with your posts have been your unwillingness to acknowledge any flaw in your arguments and your unnecessary inclusion of real world politics and propaganda (Which is what I had a personal problem with since I'm from the USA my self and what you were saying about us is as far from the truth as mole men in antarctica) so if you're willing to be civil and adult like we'll happily acknowledge you again. But until then this will be even my last acknowledgement to any of your posts.

I'm sorry, but that's how it is. Good day and Good Luck.

[Kaiser-Ace]

why we ran chance of doing anything but will result in a civil war in Ul'dah leaving Eorzea weakened.

I've been holding off on saying this but Gridania & Limsa Lominsa vs Ul'dah is not a Civil war. All three are different Nations. After all the Autumn War in the 6th Astral Era was Ishgaurd, Gridania, Ul'dah, and Limsa Lominsa vs Alamhigo. That was the origin of "The Grand Company Alliance" that still exists and upon Ishguard's rejoining will once more be complete.

The Syndicate & Brass Blades vs The Immortal Flames and A People's Militia would be a Civil War. Remember that each city state is it's own Nation and a Civil war is a war within a single nation's people (See French Revolution and American Civil War for Examples)

[gamesmart]

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Details aside, the point is that such a conflict would basically scream to the Garleans "HEY LOOK WE'RE INFIGHTING COME TAKE OVER." Especially with a new emperor, that is an extremely dangerous prospect.

However, your information on archery was quite enlightening. Thanks for the read. (However, by "Growing" did you mean groin?)

[Kaiser-Ace]

However, your information on archery was quite enlightening. Thanks for the read. (However, by "Growing" did you mean groin?)

Yes, and thank you for catching that spell error, I'll edit that real quick. The Spell check knew I spelled it right, it just didn't know I used the wrong word. lol

[Rannie]

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Very awesome read. Makes me wish my cousin would have taken me hunting cause he would always use a bow. It was very informative and I enjoyed it. Any way very good read.

[Enkidoh]

Details aside, the point is that such a conflict would basically scream to the Garleans "HEY LOOK WE'RE INFIGHTING COME TAKE OVER." Especially with a new emperor, that is an extremely dangerous prospect.

Yeah, and where have we seen this before? *cough* Ala Mhigo *cough cough* The more I think of it, the more I'm certain the Syndicate's rebellion is actually part of a Garlean plot to 'divide and conquer' Eorzea - they know Gridania is too insular to destabilize and Limsa Lominsa being a Thalassocracy simply could weigh anchor and evacuate to calmer waters. But Ul'dah was the most obvious choice to destabilize politically - it's the centre of Eorzean trade as well as having the most weak government, a figurehead monarchy with power vested in a rich plutocracy was never going to last.

And like what happened in Ala Mhigo with the purge of the Fists of Rhalgr (Ala Mhigo's most powerful military force) and the overthrow of the 'King of Ruin' Theoduric after a brief civil war, assassinating the benign yet heir-less and powerless Sultana, framing 'Eorzea's Champion' the Warrior of Light and the Scions of the Seventh Dawn for the crime, and then watching the plutocratic Syndicate tear itself apart through infighting as each member draws a line in the sand and unleashes their private armies against each other - soon the beleaguered Ul'dahn citizens would be begging for the Empire to move in and restore order - befret of the Scions and the Warrior of Light, they would obviously feel that Imperial domination is preferable to complete anarchy.

As Kan-E-Senna said in the original ending scene following Operation Archon, (paraphrased) "If one nation falls, so shall we all." Ul'dah's fall would quickly result in the rest of Eorzea being brought to heel under the Garlean jackboot. It's so obvious as to be pretty much shouted in big flashing letters.

I really hope I'm proven wrong though.

[Kaiser-Ace]

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I think that's more in line with

Messenger: "Your Highness! The Eorzean City State, Ul'dah, just erupted into complete Anarchy after a shady change in power. And what's more the Adventurer who defeated General van Belsar is being accused of the Sultana's murder as well."

Garlen Emperor: "Well we were planing an invasion but now it seems like the people of Ul'dah would be practically begging us to save them if we showed up now. Lets send a Legion there to settle things, then after things are under control maybe I'll stop by to pay my new subjects a visit."

[Rannie]

I think that's more in line with

Messenger: "Your Highness! The Eorzean City State, Ul'dah, just erupted into complete Anarchy after a shady change in power. And what's more the Adventurer who defeated General van Belsar is being accused of the Sultana's murder as well."

Garlen Emperor: "Well we were planing an invasion but now it seems like the people of Ul'dah would be practically begging us to save them if we showed up now. Lets send a Legion there to settle things, then after things are under control maybe I'll stop by to pay my new subjects a visit."

you forgot him lighting a cuban cigar sitting back and smoking it in pleasure for the new territory he got

[RobinRethiel]

Robin, I'm only going to respond to you one more time as you're beginning to bore me by willingly ignoring any thing but the fact that we can prove why we couldn't stay and fight.
You mentioned something being wrong with my assessment on archers, so I'll go ahead and enlighten every one to the fact that I am an Archer IRL and have been for almost 10 years.

Now it only takes one shot to kill some one if well aimed, in humans it is The Neck (A hard to hit sweet spot and near instant death), The Chest (Takes about 10-15s to die) The Spleen and Liver (Not instantly fatal but will kill via blood loss in an around one Hour) and the Arm pit and Groin (Both of which are difficult and circumstantial "Lucky Shots" that will cause fatal blood loss in about 5-10 minutes).

So then there are plenty of ways to disable and or maim with arrows like when they shot Tancred's knee. One archer wouldn't be able to kill us all but we saw at least 4 aiming for Thancred and any medieval style standing army will have a Dedicated Archer regiment. (The God's Quiver in Gridania being a specialized Archer Corp.) So they had enough archers to do the job. Even if they had one archer per scion they could have taken us down easily. It's the 12th Century equivalent of bringing a knife (or sword in this case) to a gun fight. And even if the PC was a Bard or Archer, that's 1 vs an Army. Still not good odds since they would have been surrounded and over run by ground troops while targeting other archers.

Most of our problems with your posts have been your unwillingness to acknowledge any flaw in your arguments and your unnecessary inclusion of real world politics and propaganda (Which is what I had a personal problem with since I'm from the USA my self and what you were saying about us is as far from the truth as mole men in antarctica) so if you're willing to be civil and adult like we'll happily acknowledge you again. But until then this will be even my last acknowledgement to any of your posts.

I'm sorry, but that's how it is. Good day and Good Luck.

Kid. This is not reality... don't start to argue with it. It would be dumb. I know a lot about real weapons far above arrows. But this is worthless here. In reality no one can destroy a stone pillar with one hit. You can't summon ray bombs. Or heal people with a simple touch.

It's desperate what you are trying to do here. Don't try to make me feel embarrassed for you. Just think before you write, okay?

Details aside, the point is that such a conflict would basically scream to the Garleans "HEY LOOK WE'RE INFIGHTING COME TAKE OVER." Especially with a new emperor, that is an extremely dangerous prospect.

However, your information on archery was quite enlightening. Thanks for the read. (However, by "Growing" did you mean groin?)

We got this situation now because we did not solve it. We now got the problem, that Uldah is in danger to become a Garlean exklave with Lolo at power. If we had done something to stop this coup, then no. But of course it is not real and Square can simply decide what happens. They could also just put Lolo in a dress and make him dance with the cat girls, never caring about this at all. But if this would be real, the chance that Uldah now just allies with the greater power of the empire - would be major. Also the danger of a civil war is now the greatest. With a Lolo alive, not dead. Civil wars are pretty standard in coherence with change of power. Of course, like the thing with Lolo who suddenly wants to dance instead of rule, Square can switch this on and off as they like.

Its starting to get sad now lol I think pretty much half here says the story and reasons we ran wer fine others want to lock up all the writers in a remote place and threaten to kill them if they don't re write it while they sit quietly and suck their thumb and when they are at last done the people will still throw a hissy fit saying no no no no you can't do that.

why we ran chance of doing anything but will result in a civil war in Ul Dah leaving Eorzea weakened.

Seems more like you want to kill someone. No one ever said, that the writers are terrible or something. It's about some minor points which don't make sense and could be improved or solved in the future. Just because you and some others are ignoring them does not make them go away. As said often enough: Critic helps people to advance. No one is perfect. Of course the critic has to be valid.