The final part of ARR story doesn't make enough sense.

[RobinRethiel]

One thing to remember, even if the Scions, The WoL, ALL THREE GC Leaders, and every one else in the room called BS and rushed Lolorito and Teledji, we were still waaaay out numbered. And it only takes ONE lucky shot with an arrow to take any of us out. And they had a lot of arrows.

Take Thancred as an example. It only took one arrow in his knee to render all of his years of combat training and Rouge expertise completely meaningless.

Now imagine if that had hit him in the spine, then some one got a shot off in Y'shtola's chest. Now we don't have a cave in. Back up to Yda and Papalymo, Arrows are faster than spells and you may dodge a few arrows but you will never dodge ALL of a few dozen arrows.

This one shot arrow made no sense, because in this case Thancred wouldn't even have been able to meet us anyway. It's one of those typical "cutscene" cliches. You can't just mess around with the power and tell people, that this makes sense. Either you got people with "superpowers" in comparison to reality - or not. If you switch it off and on - what indeed happens all the time in many stories and still it does not make any sense - it's simply enforced. There are even tropes about this and they don't say: Wow, look at these typical cliches, they are awesome!

And you (and I don't mean you alone) don't have to get defensive again. I know, for you all is perfect, so you ignore the points again, make up own points again no one is talking about, just to falsify them and so on. Such "discussions" I know of kindergarten. Impossible to take them serious. Okay? So don't waste your time. You like it. I know this and accept it. For YOU everything is fine. So just ignore this thread. Okay?

And we were not outnumbered. Not in the slightest. They were. And before people start again with a whole army waiting outside:
WE HAD A ****** DISCUSSION OUTSIDE! For minutes! NO ONE came. There was no one waiting outside. And we SAW this. And even after this, TWO scions "kicked the asses" of at least 1-2 dozen guys. The cutscenes even show this. No. At start, THEY were outnumbered. by far. So you can't bring this point. It does not exist at all.

But again:
You like it. I know this and accept it. For YOU everything is fine. So just ignore this thread. Okay?

They usually mention that you should get (before), and sometimes mention that you had (after), a band of adventurers with you.

I believe even sometimes said in the course of the story dialogue that you should get the adventurers who helped you before.

Yes, they do. But it's for gameplay's sake. Storywise it would often enough not make sense and if you look at the cutscenes you are in most of them the only one there.

The thing is anyway, that the WoL should really not be able to defeat armies. But some people just bring this up, so they can ignore the original critic. This "but there is an army right on the other side of the door" is their main argument, even though it makes no sense. A look at the cutscenes alone is proving this.

I'm sorry but the one doing the most arguing and saying we're wrong about logical conclusions taken about certain aspects of the storyline will not even acknowledge any or all logic behind any action that our character did or did not take within the plot. They are wanting every tiny detail explained which is completely and totally unneeded for this type of story telling. They're saying it was too forced then fine they can have that opinion. But I'll now be putting then on my ignore list until they can actually come up with a valid plot hole in which can't be explained by logic, which is what a plot hole is.


You know my only thought now is was the poisoned wine meant for us as well they made too much of a show of the hand maiden walking away with the wine bottle that makes me want to think our glass had the poisoned wine in it as well.

Please, don't act like a kid here. What you do is a trick I know of children, who just blame the others to do, what they do. I don't even know what people like you are doing in this thread. You really are only here to say, that it is dumb and everyone discussing here about odd points is dumb, too. Why? If everything is fine for you, why even write here? Why read this thread? It would be one thing if you would try to explain these points. But that's not the case. People who "argue" here against the OP are just ignoring them and throw other stuff at it, to "win". This is no PvP here. You can't win anything here. You don't get marks or items or anything.

[Kaiser-Ace]

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Robin, I'm only going to respond to you one more time as you're beginning to bore me by willingly ignoring any thing but the fact that we can prove why we couldn't stay and fight.

You mentioned something being wrong with my assessment on archers, so I'll go ahead and enlighten every one to the fact that I am an Archer IRL and have been for almost 10 years.

Now it only takes one shot to kill some one if well aimed, in humans it is The Neck (A hard to hit sweet spot and near instant death), The Chest (Takes about 10-15s to die) The Spleen and Liver (Not instantly fatal but will kill via blood loss in an around one Hour) and the Arm pit and Groin (Both of which are difficult and circumstantial "Lucky Shots" that will cause fatal blood loss in about 5-10 minutes).

So then there are plenty of ways to disable and or maim with arrows like when they shot Tancred's knee. One archer wouldn't be able to kill us all but we saw at least 4 aiming for Thancred and any medieval style standing army will have a Dedicated Archer regiment. (The God's Quiver in Gridania being a specialized Archer Corp.) So they had enough archers to do the job. Even if they had one archer per scion they could have taken us down easily. It's the 12th Century equivalent of bringing a knife (or sword in this case) to a gun fight. And even if the PC was a Bard or Archer, that's 1 vs an Army. Still not good odds since they would have been surrounded and over run by ground troops while targeting other archers.

Most of our problems with your posts have been your unwillingness to acknowledge any flaw in your arguments and your unnecessary inclusion of real world politics and propaganda (Which is what I had a personal problem with since I'm from the USA my self and what you were saying about us is as far from the truth as mole men in antarctica) so if you're willing to be civil and adult like we'll happily acknowledge you again. But until then this will be even my last acknowledgement to any of your posts.

I'm sorry, but that's how it is. Good day and Good Luck.

[Rannie]

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Very awesome read. Makes me wish my cousin would have taken me hunting cause he would always use a bow. It was very informative and I enjoyed it. Any way very good read.

[RobinRethiel]

Robin, I'm only going to respond to you one more time as you're beginning to bore me by willingly ignoring any thing but the fact that we can prove why we couldn't stay and fight.
You mentioned something being wrong with my assessment on archers, so I'll go ahead and enlighten every one to the fact that I am an Archer IRL and have been for almost 10 years.

Now it only takes one shot to kill some one if well aimed, in humans it is The Neck (A hard to hit sweet spot and near instant death), The Chest (Takes about 10-15s to die) The Spleen and Liver (Not instantly fatal but will kill via blood loss in an around one Hour) and the Arm pit and Groin (Both of which are difficult and circumstantial "Lucky Shots" that will cause fatal blood loss in about 5-10 minutes).

So then there are plenty of ways to disable and or maim with arrows like when they shot Tancred's knee. One archer wouldn't be able to kill us all but we saw at least 4 aiming for Thancred and any medieval style standing army will have a Dedicated Archer regiment. (The God's Quiver in Gridania being a specialized Archer Corp.) So they had enough archers to do the job. Even if they had one archer per scion they could have taken us down easily. It's the 12th Century equivalent of bringing a knife (or sword in this case) to a gun fight. And even if the PC was a Bard or Archer, that's 1 vs an Army. Still not good odds since they would have been surrounded and over run by ground troops while targeting other archers.

Most of our problems with your posts have been your unwillingness to acknowledge any flaw in your arguments and your unnecessary inclusion of real world politics and propaganda (Which is what I had a personal problem with since I'm from the USA my self and what you were saying about us is as far from the truth as mole men in antarctica) so if you're willing to be civil and adult like we'll happily acknowledge you again. But until then this will be even my last acknowledgement to any of your posts.

I'm sorry, but that's how it is. Good day and Good Luck.

Kid. This is not reality... don't start to argue with it. It would be dumb. I know a lot about real weapons far above arrows. But this is worthless here. In reality no one can destroy a stone pillar with one hit. You can't summon ray bombs. Or heal people with a simple touch.

It's desperate what you are trying to do here. Don't try to make me feel embarrassed for you. Just think before you write, okay?

Details aside, the point is that such a conflict would basically scream to the Garleans "HEY LOOK WE'RE INFIGHTING COME TAKE OVER." Especially with a new emperor, that is an extremely dangerous prospect.

However, your information on archery was quite enlightening. Thanks for the read. (However, by "Growing" did you mean groin?)

We got this situation now because we did not solve it. We now got the problem, that Uldah is in danger to become a Garlean exklave with Lolo at power. If we had done something to stop this coup, then no. But of course it is not real and Square can simply decide what happens. They could also just put Lolo in a dress and make him dance with the cat girls, never caring about this at all. But if this would be real, the chance that Uldah now just allies with the greater power of the empire - would be major. Also the danger of a civil war is now the greatest. With a Lolo alive, not dead. Civil wars are pretty standard in coherence with change of power. Of course, like the thing with Lolo who suddenly wants to dance instead of rule, Square can switch this on and off as they like.

Its starting to get sad now lol I think pretty much half here says the story and reasons we ran wer fine others want to lock up all the writers in a remote place and threaten to kill them if they don't re write it while they sit quietly and suck their thumb and when they are at last done the people will still throw a hissy fit saying no no no no you can't do that.

why we ran chance of doing anything but will result in a civil war in Ul Dah leaving Eorzea weakened.

Seems more like you want to kill someone. No one ever said, that the writers are terrible or something. It's about some minor points which don't make sense and could be improved or solved in the future. Just because you and some others are ignoring them does not make them go away. As said often enough: Critic helps people to advance. No one is perfect. Of course the critic has to be valid.