The final part of ARR story doesn't make enough sense.

[Mimiru_S]

We don't, not even Ifrit, even though we get captured without anyone else, there's an NPC nearby who leads out out of the area you're in. He tells you to go get help and then come back to defeat Ifrit.

I believe merely for gameplay purposes. Story-wise, we do face each primal, solo.

[Viridiana]

I believe merely for gameplay purposes. Story-wise, we do face each primal, solo.

Of course, "solo" in this context means "relying very heavily on the Crystals of Light and/or Hydaelyn."

[Mimiru_S]

Of course, "solo" in this context means "relying very heavily on the Crystals of Light and/or Hydaelyn."

As in physically, just you vs the primal.

[Viridiana]

As in physically, just you vs the primal.

Yeah, but it was with Hydaelyn's help, which we aren't going to get while facing the Braves and Blades. So saying, as some are, "Hey, we fought the primals solo!" doesn't mean much. The bulk of our power at the time was coming from the Crystals.

[Mimiru_S]

Yeah, but it was with Hydaelyn's help, which we aren't going to get while facing the Braves and Blades. So saying, as some are, "Hey, we fought the primals solo!" doesn't mean much. The bulk of our power at the time was coming from the Crystals.

Lol, if I recall correctly, when we fought Ifrit we only had one of the crystals. So other than the Echo, maybe we didn't rely as much on Hydaelyn, as you believe.

[Viridiana]

Lol, if I recall correctly, when we fought Ifrit we only had one of the crystals. So other than the Echo, maybe we didn't rely as much on Hydaelyn, as you believe.

At the risk of turning it into a story versus gameplay conversation, though, at the time he was summoned with less crystals than he would later be, and we ourselves weren't at the height our powers would eventually reach.

[Aylon]

I believe merely for gameplay purposes. Story-wise, we do face each primal, solo.

I disagree. Story-wise we are always told to gather adventurers or get help. If it would be for Gameplay purposes only, why should the npcs mention it? Why would they show other Party-Members in Cutscenes in Dungeons and Raids? We really aren´t that strong. Story-wise I would consider the GC-Leaders, the Scions like Thancred, Papalymo, Y´shtola and Yda, the Ascians and the Garlean Generals stronger than us. Don´t think, we would stand a chance in a one on one. Even against the Garlearean Generals it was a 8 on 1 in most cases. We defeated Ultima and Lahabrea only with massive help from Hydaelyn.

Even in the instanced Fights in some Story or Class-Quests we wouldn´t accomplish much, if we wouldn´t have help from various NPCs.

[Mimiru_S]

I disagree. Story-wise we are always told to gather adventurers or get help. If it would be for Gameplay purposes only, why should the npcs mention it? Why would they show other Party-Members in Cutscenes in Dungeons and Raids? We really aren´t that strong. Story-wise I would consider the GC-Leaders, the Scions like Thancred, Papalymo, Y´shtola and Yda, the Ascians and the Garlean Generals stronger than us. Don´t think, we would stand a chance in a one on one. Even against the Garlearean Generals it was a 8 on 1 in most cases. We defeated Ultima and Lahabrea only with massive help from Hydaelyn.

Even in the instanced Fights in some Story or Class-Quests we wouldn´t accomplish much, if we wouldn´t have help from various NPCs.

Lets just agree to disagree, shall we?

[Kaiser-Ace]

One thing to remember, even if the Scions, The WoL, ALL THREE GC Leaders, and every one else in the room called BS and rushed Lolorito and Teledji, we were still waaaay out numbered. And it only takes ONE lucky shot with an arrow to take any of us out. And they had a lot of arrows.

Take Thancred as an example. It only took one arrow in his knee to render all of his years of combat training and Rouge expertise completely meaningless.

Now imagine if that had hit him in the spine, then some one got a shot off in Y'shtola's chest. Now we don't have a cave in. Back up to Yda and Papalymo, Arrows are faster than spells and you may dodge a few arrows but you will never dodge ALL of a few dozen arrows.

[RobinRethiel]

One thing to remember, even if the Scions, The WoL, ALL THREE GC Leaders, and every one else in the room called BS and rushed Lolorito and Teledji, we were still waaaay out numbered. And it only takes ONE lucky shot with an arrow to take any of us out. And they had a lot of arrows.

Take Thancred as an example. It only took one arrow in his knee to render all of his years of combat training and Rouge expertise completely meaningless.

Now imagine if that had hit him in the spine, then some one got a shot off in Y'shtola's chest. Now we don't have a cave in. Back up to Yda and Papalymo, Arrows are faster than spells and you may dodge a few arrows but you will never dodge ALL of a few dozen arrows.

This one shot arrow made no sense, because in this case Thancred wouldn't even have been able to meet us anyway. It's one of those typical "cutscene" cliches. You can't just mess around with the power and tell people, that this makes sense. Either you got people with "superpowers" in comparison to reality - or not. If you switch it off and on - what indeed happens all the time in many stories and still it does not make any sense - it's simply enforced. There are even tropes about this and they don't say: Wow, look at these typical cliches, they are awesome!

And you (and I don't mean you alone) don't have to get defensive again. I know, for you all is perfect, so you ignore the points again, make up own points again no one is talking about, just to falsify them and so on. Such "discussions" I know of kindergarten. Impossible to take them serious. Okay? So don't waste your time. You like it. I know this and accept it. For YOU everything is fine. So just ignore this thread. Okay?

And we were not outnumbered. Not in the slightest. They were. And before people start again with a whole army waiting outside:
WE HAD A ****** DISCUSSION OUTSIDE! For minutes! NO ONE came. There was no one waiting outside. And we SAW this. And even after this, TWO scions "kicked the asses" of at least 1-2 dozen guys. The cutscenes even show this. No. At start, THEY were outnumbered. by far. So you can't bring this point. It does not exist at all.

But again:
You like it. I know this and accept it. For YOU everything is fine. So just ignore this thread. Okay?

They usually mention that you should get (before), and sometimes mention that you had (after), a band of adventurers with you.

I believe even sometimes said in the course of the story dialogue that you should get the adventurers who helped you before.

Yes, they do. But it's for gameplay's sake. Storywise it would often enough not make sense and if you look at the cutscenes you are in most of them the only one there.

The thing is anyway, that the WoL should really not be able to defeat armies. But some people just bring this up, so they can ignore the original critic. This "but there is an army right on the other side of the door" is their main argument, even though it makes no sense. A look at the cutscenes alone is proving this.

I'm sorry but the one doing the most arguing and saying we're wrong about logical conclusions taken about certain aspects of the storyline will not even acknowledge any or all logic behind any action that our character did or did not take within the plot. They are wanting every tiny detail explained which is completely and totally unneeded for this type of story telling. They're saying it was too forced then fine they can have that opinion. But I'll now be putting then on my ignore list until they can actually come up with a valid plot hole in which can't be explained by logic, which is what a plot hole is.


You know my only thought now is was the poisoned wine meant for us as well they made too much of a show of the hand maiden walking away with the wine bottle that makes me want to think our glass had the poisoned wine in it as well.

Please, don't act like a kid here. What you do is a trick I know of children, who just blame the others to do, what they do. I don't even know what people like you are doing in this thread. You really are only here to say, that it is dumb and everyone discussing here about odd points is dumb, too. Why? If everything is fine for you, why even write here? Why read this thread? It would be one thing if you would try to explain these points. But that's not the case. People who "argue" here against the OP are just ignoring them and throw other stuff at it, to "win". This is no PvP here. You can't win anything here. You don't get marks or items or anything.