The final part of ARR story doesn't make enough sense.

[MomomiMomi]

We did solo all the primals (except maybe Leviathan? and Bahumut) ourselves.

We don't, not even Ifrit, even though we get captured without anyone else, there's an NPC nearby who leads out out of the area you're in. He tells you to go get help and then come back to defeat Ifrit.

[Mimiru_S]

We don't, not even Ifrit, even though we get captured without anyone else, there's an NPC nearby who leads out out of the area you're in. He tells you to go get help and then come back to defeat Ifrit.

I believe merely for gameplay purposes. Story-wise, we do face each primal, solo.

[Viridiana]

I believe merely for gameplay purposes. Story-wise, we do face each primal, solo.

Of course, "solo" in this context means "relying very heavily on the Crystals of Light and/or Hydaelyn."

[Mimiru_S]

Of course, "solo" in this context means "relying very heavily on the Crystals of Light and/or Hydaelyn."

As in physically, just you vs the primal.

[Viridiana]

As in physically, just you vs the primal.

Yeah, but it was with Hydaelyn's help, which we aren't going to get while facing the Braves and Blades. So saying, as some are, "Hey, we fought the primals solo!" doesn't mean much. The bulk of our power at the time was coming from the Crystals.

[Mimiru_S]

Yeah, but it was with Hydaelyn's help, which we aren't going to get while facing the Braves and Blades. So saying, as some are, "Hey, we fought the primals solo!" doesn't mean much. The bulk of our power at the time was coming from the Crystals.

Lol, if I recall correctly, when we fought Ifrit we only had one of the crystals. So other than the Echo, maybe we didn't rely as much on Hydaelyn, as you believe.

[Viridiana]

Lol, if I recall correctly, when we fought Ifrit we only had one of the crystals. So other than the Echo, maybe we didn't rely as much on Hydaelyn, as you believe.

At the risk of turning it into a story versus gameplay conversation, though, at the time he was summoned with less crystals than he would later be, and we ourselves weren't at the height our powers would eventually reach.

[Aylon]

I believe merely for gameplay purposes. Story-wise, we do face each primal, solo.

I disagree. Story-wise we are always told to gather adventurers or get help. If it would be for Gameplay purposes only, why should the npcs mention it? Why would they show other Party-Members in Cutscenes in Dungeons and Raids? We really aren´t that strong. Story-wise I would consider the GC-Leaders, the Scions like Thancred, Papalymo, Y´shtola and Yda, the Ascians and the Garlean Generals stronger than us. Don´t think, we would stand a chance in a one on one. Even against the Garlearean Generals it was a 8 on 1 in most cases. We defeated Ultima and Lahabrea only with massive help from Hydaelyn.

Even in the instanced Fights in some Story or Class-Quests we wouldn´t accomplish much, if we wouldn´t have help from various NPCs.

[Mimiru_S]

I disagree. Story-wise we are always told to gather adventurers or get help. If it would be for Gameplay purposes only, why should the npcs mention it? Why would they show other Party-Members in Cutscenes in Dungeons and Raids? We really aren´t that strong. Story-wise I would consider the GC-Leaders, the Scions like Thancred, Papalymo, Y´shtola and Yda, the Ascians and the Garlean Generals stronger than us. Don´t think, we would stand a chance in a one on one. Even against the Garlearean Generals it was a 8 on 1 in most cases. We defeated Ultima and Lahabrea only with massive help from Hydaelyn.

Even in the instanced Fights in some Story or Class-Quests we wouldn´t accomplish much, if we wouldn´t have help from various NPCs.

Lets just agree to disagree, shall we?

[Kaiser-Ace]

One thing to remember, even if the Scions, The WoL, ALL THREE GC Leaders, and every one else in the room called BS and rushed Lolorito and Teledji, we were still waaaay out numbered. And it only takes ONE lucky shot with an arrow to take any of us out. And they had a lot of arrows.

Take Thancred as an example. It only took one arrow in his knee to render all of his years of combat training and Rouge expertise completely meaningless.

Now imagine if that had hit him in the spine, then some one got a shot off in Y'shtola's chest. Now we don't have a cave in. Back up to Yda and Papalymo, Arrows are faster than spells and you may dodge a few arrows but you will never dodge ALL of a few dozen arrows.