The final part of ARR story doesn't make enough sense.

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

fighting back would only serve t o prove we killed sultana. also there seems to be bigger players behind the monetarists, if you watch the cs after the credits ( very important cutscenes btw !!) you could see lolorito was not very happy when the maiden reported to him ... as in he had no choice but to be part of the whole mess.

[RobinRethiel]

fighting back would only serve t o prove we killed sultana. also there seems to be bigger players behind the monetarists, if you watch the cs after the credits ( very important cutscenes btw !!) you could see lolorito was not very happy when the maiden reported to him ... as in he had no choice but to be part of the whole mess.

No, fleeing proves this.

[Velhart]

No, fleeing proves this.

Killing people would make you look more guilty. You might look guilty fleeing, but doing so at least gives you opportunity to prove your innocence. You accomplish nothing taking down the syndicate on the spot. Look at Raubahn for example. Well respected and trusted leader, all that completely destroyed fighting back and now sits in a cell with only one arm.

[RobinRethiel]

Killing people would make you look more guilty. You might look guilty fleeing, but doing so at least gives you opportunity to prove your innocence. You accomplish nothing taking down the syndicate on the spot. Look at Raubahn for example. Well respected and trusted leader, all that completely destroyed fighting back and now sits in a cell with only one arm.

Never said we should slaughter the Brass, for what? Why do people always think of slaughtering the Brass? I dont't get it.
We should have slaughtered Ilberd and Lolo. Who should accuse after after they are gone? Raubahn?

But even without: Just staying for a trial. Really would like to see, how Lolo tries to convince the people, that we have killed the Sultana so he can take over Uldah.

Helping Raubahn would further help TelAdel/Lolorito's case against the WoL and the Scions in witchcraft (likely they mean the Echo) and Nanamo's death. There was just no way to win in this situation.

They would be dead. How would this help them?

[Chewy2nd]

Never said we should slaughter the Brass, for what? Why do people always think of slaughtering the Brass? I dont't get it.
We should have slaughtered Ilberd and Lolo. Who should accuse after after they are gone? Raubahn?

But even without: Just staying for a trial. Really would like to see, how Lolo tries to convince the people, that we have killed the Sultana so he can take over Uldah.


They would be dead. How would this help them?

Pretty sure if you killed Ilberd and Lolorito, the brass blades would go after you, even the ones not involved in the conspiracy, you've just killed the Commander of a Grand Company and a member of Ul'dah's government, you'd be killed, or thrown into the Marasaja Pit.

Yes, we did take on the Cloud of Darkness, Ifrit, Garuda, Titan and so on, but we never did any of this alone.

[RobinRethiel]

Pretty sure if you killed Ilberd and Lolorito, the brass blades would go after you, even the ones not involved in the conspiracy, you've just killed the Commander of a Grand Company and a member of Ul'dah's government, you'd be killed, or thrown into the Marasaja Pit.

Yes, we did take on the Cloud of Darkness, Ifrit, Garuda, Titan and so on, but we never did any of this alone.

Why should they? The Brass Blades are mainly paid sell swords. If the guy who pays them is dead, why should they serve him any longer? Same with the Crystal Brave traitors. They would just wait for the next guy who pays them. And for most of them it would be pretty clear: Lolo killed the Sultana to become sole ruler of Uldah. What should they say about this?

Commander of a Great Company? Ilberd? Alphinaud is the commander. Killing Ilberd because he attacked the General of Uldah - it would be the same as the imperial spy inside the Flames. Happens. We would have saved the day again. Maybe some would frown. Who cares. People don't need to like us, we still would have saved them from tyranny. Could sleep with that. Can't sleep with running away and leaving the poor people of Uldah to the bloody claws of this Nazi Lala.

[Chewy2nd]

Why should they? The Brass Blades are mainly paid sell swords. If the guy who pays them is dead, why should they serve him any longer? Same with the Crystal Brave traitors. They would just wait for the next guy who pays them. And for most of them it would be pretty clear: Lolo killed the Sultana to become sole ruler of Uldah. What should they say about this?

Commander of a Great Company? Ilberd? Alphinaud is the commander. Killing Ilberd because he attacked the General of Uldah - it would be the same as the imperial spy inside the Flames. Happens. We would have saved the day again. Maybe some would frown. Who cares. People don't need to like us, we still would have saved them from tyranny. Could sleep with that. Can't sleep with running away and leaving the poor people of Uldah to the bloody claws of this Nazi Lala.

Because Lolorito and Ilberd aren't the only heads on the Hydra, killing them would only make it easier for more to take their place. Also, THREE important people die the same night? A lot of the smallfolk would lump their deaths in with the Sultana's assassination, probably assume that its a takeover manuvere by Raubahn and the Scions. Imagine the reaction if Prime Minister of the UK, The Queen and the head of NATO got murdered on the same night, and that someone was confirmed to be responsible for two of these deaths, most people would assume that they were responsible for the third death.

Alphinaud was the commander, then he had the sword to his neck, Ilberd will have assumed his role. Also, Raubahn took the first swing, he killed one of the Syndicate, it wouldn't take much for them to spin some bullshit about him.

[Dalvy]

Never said we should slaughter the Brass, for what? Why do people always think of slaughtering the Brass? I dont't get it.
We should have slaughtered Ilberd and Lolo. Who should accuse after after they are gone? Raubahn?

But even without: Just staying for a trial. Really would like to see, how Lolo tries to convince the people, that we have killed the Sultana so he can take over Uldah.


They would be dead. How would this help them?

They weren't The sole people in that room, and aren't the only heads on the beast. With that many witnesses and with no proof of innocence, people are going to lean in favor of the accusers.

Also, how would you hide killing politicians at a banquet? How COULD you have the moment to think of attacking Lolorito after Raubahn asks you to run?

Heroics and bloodlust aren't going to solve as large of a plot as this. Again, how is slaughtering people once Raubahn frees us change the situation in our favor?

The WoL could not do anything to improve the situation; we are not as badass as we think.

[Alise]

fighting back would only serve t o prove we killed sultana. also there seems to be bigger players behind the monetarists, if you watch the cs after the credits ( very important cutscenes btw !!)

-You just have to fight back until you can capture the real bad guy (which is right in front of you!). Then everything will be solved.
Will you believe me or not? Sooner or later, we will have to fight back anyway. If we fight back now, this end in 5 min, if we fight back later, this end in dozen of chapters. You simply give your enemy time to pull distant and guard himself, or obtain new power, whatever.

-Your character still have Echo. Or you can still ask Minfilia to do it. (Big players behind the scene or whatever, we will learn everything by using Echo, then we go for that guy!)

-Your character not have 8 party, but still have all the strongest heroes from Scions, and a Grand company champion. I can't see how we lose to those no name around the hall. And actually, we can bring another 8 WoL warp into party from any situation, just like when Minfilia got captured by darkness, we were alone, but suddenly, pop up 8 WoL!!

[Mimiru_S]

-You just have to fight back until you can capture the real bad guy (which is right in front of you!). Then everything will be solved.
Will you believe me or not? Sooner or later, we will have to fight back anyway. If we fight back now, this end in 5 min, if we fight back later, this end in dozen of chapters. You simply give your enemy time to pull distant and guard himself, or obtain new power, whatever.

If we had fought back, we would have appeared guilty of the crime and looked like we were trying to silence any witnesses. Also, it wouldn't have been just those Brass Blades, in the Sultana's chambers. It would have eventually been the entirety of the Brass Blades and Crystal Braves. A lot of whom may have just been following orders, so by fighting back against ever Blade/Brave we came across would have meant a lot of innocent injuries/casualties. There's a time to fight and a time to stand down and wait. This just happened to be the latter.