The final part of ARR story doesn't make enough sense.

[RobinRethiel]

It's a fact, that "we" = the scions, are killing a lot of Brass Blades and Crystal Braves, no? Instead of running away together - or fighting the real guilty guy, not his poor minions.

People always say: But if we fight, it proves our guilt. You know, the Scions DO fight and there is no real difference between them doing this or us as part of the Scions.

If a group which is called "terrorists"/"imperial spies"/"regicides" is killing some policemen, reasons aside, so one of them can escape, would you think this guy running away is less guilty than the others?

As said: The plot holes are not that big. The story could be exactly the same. But while they are not big, they still are... odd. And that's sad.

[Rannie]

I'm starting to see that you have no idea of the concept of Sacrifice for the greater good. They chose to fight due to the fact that they knew they had to keep the guards at bay so you could run to clear your names. Lolorito, the brass blades, and the Crystals Braves were ready to lynch mob you to burn you and everyone at the stake.

You were weaponless and defenseless due to your visit with the Sultana and even then when Thancred and Y'shtola were about to stay Minfillia ran off while you stayed behind like you wanted to fight. When Minfillia went to go back you argued with her about it and with the dialogue the way it was atleast in english you wanted to stay but you knew you couldn't because of the burden you have as BEING the Warrior of Light.

I have a question how many fantasy books do you read? (and this isn't a provoking question it's serious) Because in damn near a lot of the ones I have read there is always someone or a group of people who will sacrifice everything to keep the hero from being harmed. Weither it's keeping them from being killed by taking the blow for them or by staying behind for capture so the one who is innocent can escape.

[RobinRethiel]

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I have a question how many fantasy books do you read? (and this isn't a provoking question it's serious) Because in damn near a lot of the ones I have read there is always someone or a group of people who will sacrifice everything to keep the hero from being harmed. Weither it's keeping them from being killed by taking the blow for them or by staying behind for capture so the one who is innocent can escape.

Just read what you are answering to, instead of totally ignoring it and writing the same thing again and again and again. Your post got nothing to do with mine.

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I read thousands of tales, not only fantasy, but sages, legends and fables of all nations and cultures. Different stories got different demands. There is no need for political schemes inside a fable, but if you implement one, it should make sense. And it's really not good idea to tell people, they should accept something, because it's a cliche. Cliches are nothing you want in a deep, non-humoristic story.

Anyway, the point is not that this all happened. The point is not, that we have to flee. The point is not, that the Scions had to sacrifice themselves, that the Sultana died, that Raubahn was defeated by Ultberd or that the other Leaders did nothing about it, not even trying to restore peace with a few words, only running away, putting the fate of Uldah and the Alliance mainly into the hands of the regicides.

The point is, how this all happened. It felt forced and exactly that is the point.

To tell that the story writers just means, that he/she may think about it. Maybe there is even already a plan, which explains it, maybe not. Maybe there is one, but it simply was not clear enough. Critic helps to make things better. People would not write here, if they wouldn't want to help. They would write in another MMO or Games forum, how "shitty the story is" and that "no one should play this", if they hate the story, FF, Square or whatever.

Nobody demands, that they should change it, no one has the right to do this, it's their story, even if we are the customers and people who pay for it. But when someone tells me, as an author, that he thinks something inside my story does not make sense, I'm really, really glad about it. Because this way I can think about it and improve my story (writing).

I had some situations in my life, where others got critic about their work and I got none. I was not glad about it, because I knew, that what I did was for sure not perfect. Critic from outside helps to improve, because it comes from a different perspective. Threads like this should exactly do this, delivering a different perspective.

[Aryalandi]

There is also the fact that while yes you are escaping without fighting (unarmed, going to stick with decidedly and obviously unarmed) the leader of the people after you just brutally outmatched /Raubahn/ while he was fully armed and in full rage-mode.. twice, it was time to leave until you can regroup and hunt down the people framing you on your own terms..

[Pterois]

the fact that it doesn't go the way you way makes it more realistic... shit don't always play out the way you want it to.

[Kaiser-Ace]

So we all agree that there was nothing we could do but flee then? To recap, Out Numbered, hostile territory on enemy's home turf, political reasons stopping Kan-E and the Admiral from helping, and the Scions ultimately sacrificed them selves for the good of the realm. Trust me, no one is more unhappy about Minfilia telling us to go on with out her or ticked about Lolorito winning than me, but it happened.

All we can do is bide our time in Ishguard and wait for our chance to take down Lolorito and avenge Nanamo and the Scions. Cue the start of my 3.0 RP.

[Enkidoh]

I just make sure to shoot Lorolito's ugly statue in Vesper Bay with my magitek armour whenever I can now.

[myahele]

We also have to keep in mind that Kan E and Merlwyb were surrounded. Even if they attacked they only had a few body guards with them.

They were given a clear choice to leave, or be arrested as well

[Rannie]

Eh I honestly doubt that the monetarist would have the balls to arrest two nations leaders. That would have definitely started ul'dah down the path of a war on three fronts and I'm not even including the garleans. However, we can't be entirely sure and this is all my opinion.

[RobinRethiel]

As said: I don't see anyone who really wants to slaughter the poor Brass Blades, many of them for sure even don't know what is happening and just thrown into this treachery. And also no one says: omg, I'm the WoL, I could pwn this city! Totally!

It's simply about the... try to stop this coup. Remember FF9, when the group tries to save the city and fought against Beatrix. Hell, she owned the group at the end of the fight and when Ilberd is indeed some "hardcore" agent of someone, prepared for all this, so he may have some tricks ready to beat us - perfectly fine. No one says and wants, that we simply stomp the bad guys. But just running away like a coward, abandoning the Sultana, Raubahn, the Scions and all the people of Uldah... I mean, we are no princess (or prince). We ARE somehow the first and last line of defense against the worst evil. It just feels wrong to turn around and run without a real reason, even IF a fight may cause some political mishaps. But we are no politicians. I think the way most people play their character would mean anyway, that they would not even give it a first thought. - And a coup, especially one bloody like that, means anyway, that diplomacy is dead.

It feels forced, because the reason we flee is... odd. The WoL is exactly the one, who does not flee. S/he is the one, who stays. Even if she dies. To save others. That was the main story of our characters.Story-wise I always see the elite guardians of city getting simply slashed by normal attacks. I don't think that they sent some mere recruits to the most horrible places, just to die there.

But it's always tricky, especially in a FF game. Even the single player games of FF always had such moments - for the sake of the story.

the fact that it doesn't go the way you way makes it more realistic... shit don't always play out the way you want it to.

The opposite is the problem. Things go exactly like they want it. We are robbed of the control over our character and a forced to behave like they want. And exactly THIS is not realistic. It would be, if they really mind control us, something like that may be possible in the reality of FF. But that we just totally act out of character is unrealistic. That's the problem.

We also have to keep in mind that Kan E and Merlwyb were surrounded. Even if they attacked they only had a few body guards with them.

They were given a clear choice to leave, or be arrested as well

Are you kidding me? You want arrest the leaders of Limsi and Gridania? If someone would really not want to do this, it is the putschists. They would have a civil war which, in addition, is pushed by two armies. They would be dead or had to flee before they even had the opportunity to call in allies like the empire. And it would be even worse, if they kill them. It would be like... the republicans killing Obama, Putin and Xi Jiping to take over the USA. But again: no one said, that the leaders should start a slaughter. But maybe avoid it. They have lost the Uldahn leaders of the alliance. Because Raubahn and the Sultana were their allies. Lolo? Not really. And they could have saved Raubahn at least. But yes, this one is tricky. What I miss most there is some more reactions after this. A political earthquake just hit Uldah and the alliance with it. And there is not much of a reaction. Would be fine to more...

Of course, "solo" in this context means "relying very heavily on the Crystals of Light and/or Hydaelyn."

This merely means, that he just can't turn us, like the others. He's still a giant beast with immense powers. Of couse - and I say it again and again - no one wants to slaughter Uldah or the Brass, that was never the point.