"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Adire]

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Purrfectstorm was saying that non laggy players have to work harder to make up for the laggy people not doing a good job, not that the laggy people could have "worked harder" to do better.

I'd just like to say, I have awful connection to this game (without WTFast at least), and if I'm lagging and dying constantly as a result, I would not blame people for wanting me gone even if they recognize, empathize with me, and understand that it's not my fault.

If a group is struggling due to some players lagging, it doesn't matter if you're lagging or that it's not your fault. You're still impeding their ability to complete the duty. That is the end result, and the obvious fix to benefit the group as a whole is to remove the players causing that result.

I agree with Purrfect. I know it sucks to lag, I experience it often, but it's just plain selfish to expect everyone else to keep you around if you're essentially being useless, even if it isn't your fault. If you find a group willing to do that, great, but expecting people to is unreasonable.

[Purrfectstorm]

Purrfectstorm was saying that non laggy players have to work harder to make up for the laggy people not doing a good job, not that the laggy people could have "worked harder" to do better.

I'd just like to say, I have awful connection to this game (without WTFast at least), and if I'm lagging and dying constantly as a result, I would not blame people for wanting me gone even if they recognize, empathize with me, and understand that it's not my fault.

If a group is struggling due to some players lagging, it doesn't matter if you're lagging or that it's not your fault. You're still impeding their ability to complete the duty. That is the end result, and the obvious fix to benefit the group as a whole is to remove the players causing that result.

I agree with Purrfect. I know it sucks to lag, I experience it often, but it's just plain selfish to expect everyone else to keep you around if you're essentially being useless, even if it isn't your fault. If you find a group willing to do that, great, but expecting people to is unreasonable.

Thanks. You understand what I'm trying to say perfectly. I have nights where I lag terribly. If that happens, I just stick to easier content. It's not just because I care about the experience of a potential group, I don't enjoy being useless in a fight. I have more fun when I can contribute.

[LTEvil]

Yes, lag exists for some people. But op is correct in saying in a df group,no one cares about the reason you're dying. If you are doing badly,you're doing badly. Making loud excuses does nothing. If you are a consistent detriment to a df group, the polite thing to do is leave.

I really appreciate that on jp servers, df is for clears, pf is for practice. Much less painful.

Similarly on watching videos, I don't expect anyone to do so for dungeons, they're simple to explain. But ex trials and coil? If you want to go in blind, make a pf. That's what I do and it's much more enjoyable. Doing otherwise is like you're asking for a carry. Doing something first time when everyone else knows what they're doing is not exactly an achievement...

This, sigh western culture so disappointing sometimes. Oh well.

[echoica]

This is a really good post and I think more people should reflect and adjust based on this advice.

[Clarkamite]

When all else fails, blame lag.

Then ask, what would Brian Boitano do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNJmfuEWR8w

Did you say Ryan Denehy????

[Bluevann]

I remember my first Titan EX attempts with sorrow. No matter how hard I tried, how many guides I'd watch or how much I'd learn the rotation, eventually WotL would get me. I thought it was latency, no one believed me. I have been scorned and insulted, told the worst kinds of stuff I thought I'd ever hear over a videogame.

Then someone told me of WTFast, so I gave it a try and, what do you know? I cleared Titan EX on my first attempt. I was so glad, because I had been told so many bad things, I had come to think I was actually a bad player, and that I'd be forever be a bad player, because what I had been doing was my very best. Thankfully it turned out that wasn't such case, and that it was really only my connection speed.

So yes, sometimes IT REALLY IS latency. Take a moment and consider that maybe people are not lying about it, before you call them liars over and over and over until they actually start to believe you and think it's their own fault.

If there's one last thing I have to say about the topic is that I hope SE learns their lesson and never makes such awful ping-check fights, because not everyone lives at the feet of a data center. I mean, seriously, I was able to clear Twintania without WTFast, and not Titan EX. That's some awfully programmed fight there.

[Purrfectstorm]

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I am not one of those players who says nasty things if someone keeps dying. I don't believe that is ever helpful. Nor do I think players who say they are lagging are lying. I just don't care why the issue exists. It exists, it's causing a problem, and it's pulling everyone else down.

That being said, you exemplify many of the things I was talking about in my OP: you thought you were bad (fixed mindset), you had started to believe what others were telling you (internal critic), BUT importantly, you looked for a solution and found one (personal accountability). Props for your doing this. Players can and should find other solutions than queuing into DF and hoping 7 other players will carry them.

[Anapingofness]

This isn't simply about the "watch a video" vs "don't watch a video" crowd.
Personally, I think it's a little bit from Column A and a little bit from Column B.
Players by and large need to have more personal responsibility, a lot more if you ask me. They need to man up when they make mistakes and they need to be careful of their actions and reactions. We are all people behind this screen and everyone should be treated with respect. So if someone says that they may be lagging, don't jump down their throat. It could very well be true, and probably is true given how crappy some ISPs are. However, if you are lagging you should also politely excuse yourself from that group until the lag clears or you find a different solution.

Lastly, many of the problems that groups experience can be solved if players simply bothered to communicate more.

[TrajanVerus]

And there's that thing called lag... cool story though.

[Staris]

I say sorry lagging every time I die.
Even when it is because I was afk in WOD with eos out.