Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
The other option is that you stop yourself being held back and manually make a better group. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish with this post of yours. The laggers have just as much a right to use DF as you do to try and clear content. You seem to suggest they should simply stop playing the game if their internet problems are unsolvable. Of course you can also kick the player holding you back assuming it's 7 against one. Use the tools the game gives you for controlling the group. That player has no obligation to leave just because their technical situation isn't as good as yours.

And guess what, people have "carried" you too when you were inexperienced and lacked gear. It's not a bad thing, as long as everyone is doing their best. There's always going to be someone better than you for whatever reason and they might just end up in your group. I doubt you would leave duty as soon as that happens.
I actually agree with most of what you're saying. People who are held back by people in DF will eventually make their own group. This is to the detriment of bad and/or lagging DF players though. These players are more likely to get the better and/or non-lagging players to stay if they make an effort to improve things on their end. It doesn't have to be lose-lose, it can be win-win, for everybody. As for the player with a bad technical situation having no obligation to leave, I agree with this also. However, again it is not likely that their sticking around will be of any benefit for anybody; they cannot enjoy the content (if they're laying in Titan's lava from the get-go) and are unlikely to actually clear it (the group kicks them or disbands).

And the only thing I'm trying to accomplish is to encourage dialogue about these types of things. I feel like I've succeeded. Not everyone agrees with me but that's fine, the information is there. Maybe my point of view is right, maybe it's wrong, but hopefully there is some benefit to sharing different perspectives. Even if I'm really an elitist jerk and just can't see it, at least now players will know what us elitist jerks are thinking when they get the "You have been removed from duty" message