"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Anna_Lannis]

I never said it is, all I meant is that it is my personal opinion that as gamers who play with and rely on other gamers we should ensure that our tools can do the job we need them to. People randomly screwing up mechanics isn't a problem, that's just how the game works and I'm fine with that as long as everyone tries to learn from it. When it becomes clear that one person's client is, as I said, a full second or more behind the server though, that is a problem that I do think that player should take responsibility for.

The problem with Titan EX is that no one know if they are going to lag until they actually go into the fight. You can stack and move with everyone else, and still get hit even if your on the edge of the arena.

"But one person shouldn't hold down the group!" It's NEVER, just one person. Competent player A goes into Titan EX, and clear it after on hour of attempts. Then Competent Player A wants to farm, so he get joins Competent Player B, and he joined by Noob A who is on a DPS job, and Noob B who is on a tank job. Everything goes fine until phase 2 and its time to stack and move with everyone else and gets plumed. Next attempt. Noob A get hit with a landslide, but Noob is a DPS and no one cares about DPS because they are a dime a dozen, and DPS aren't important (no this is not my attitude, this is general MMO attitude), and Landslide doesn't require a stack. Next attempt Competent player B gets a phone call in the middle of the fight because RL happens. Next attempt, Competent Player A is goaled and isn't broken out in time, and gets Granite Sepulchered, gets raised, and had to make a choice to heal the tank that got Mountain Bustered NAO, or a dodge a plume. Either way Competent Player A takes blame. Competent Player B ragequits, takes 5 minutes to replace. Next up Competent Player A gets broken out of a goal too early, and is landslided. New person goes on rant about how much Competent Player A sucks. A few wipes later, Noob B doesn't get the adds and people start taking more damage then they are supposed to, and Competent Player A can't heal because he spent the last of his MP raising two people. Noob B doesn't get kicked, because Noob B is a tank and tanks are rare, and Noob A says nothing is his fault because the parser says he's top deeps, never mind that he broke you out of a goal 3 times. As time goes on people get more and more frustrated, and start blaming each other, causing performance to suffer, and then group disbands. Now Noob A and Noob B get their clique together and spreads things about Competent Player A, and now Competent player A's reputation is shot even though he lagged maybe twice in the 20 something wipes.

This problem is more complex then just the internet. This fight brings the worst out in people because their is dissonance between being out of an AoE in other areas and this one.

[Magusrex]

The problem with Titan EX is that no one know if they are going to lag until they actually go into the fight. You can stack and move with everyone else, and still get hit even if your on the edge of the arena.

"But one person shouldn't hold down the group!" It's NEVER, just one person. Competent player A goes into Titan EX, and clear it after on hour of attempts. Then Competent Player A wants to farm, so he get joins Competent Player B, and he joined by Noob A who is on a DPS job, and Noob B who is on a tank job. Everything goes fine until phase 2 and its time to stack and move with everyone else and gets plumed. Next attempt. Noob A get hit with a landslide, but Noob is a DPS and no one cares about DPS because they are a dime a dozen, and DPS aren't important (no this is not my attitude, this is general MMO attitude), and Landslide doesn't require a stack. Next attempt Competent player B gets a phone call in the middle of the fight because RL happens. Next attempt, Competent Player A is goaled and isn't broken out in time, and gets Granite Sepulchered, gets raised, and had to make a choice to heal the tank that got Mountain Bustered NAO, or a dodge a plume. Either way Competent Player A takes blame. Competent Player B ragequits, takes 5 minutes to replace. Next up Competent Player A gets broken out of a goal too early, and is landslided. New person goes on rant about how much Competent Player A sucks. A few wipes later, Noob B doesn't get the adds and people start taking more damage then they are supposed to, and Competent Player A can't heal because he spent the last of his MP raising two people. Noob B doesn't get kicked, because Noob B is a tank and tanks are rare, and Noob A says nothing is his fault because the parser says he's top deeps, never mind that he broke you out of a goal 3 times. As time goes on people get more and more frustrated, and start blaming each other, causing performance to suffer, and then group disbands. Now Noob A and Noob B get their clique together and spreads things about Competent Player A, and now Competent player A's reputation is shot even though he lagged maybe twice in the 20 something wipes.

This problem is more complex then just the internet. This fight brings the worst out in people because their is dissonance between being out of an AoE in other areas and this one.

This is so frakkin true. I know I am extremely competent, but I cannot get this thing done. You describe perfectly almost all of my attempts. I am going to have to use PF and create my own party.

I am a healer and one thing I have to say is. Please show up to Titan EX with 4.5k HP or better unbuffed 5k would be better, and Tanks over 7k please 8k is better. I grouped with 2 Paladins who came in with 6.4k and one DPS at 4.2...It was impossible. I queue again and here they were again.... I just left. I can understand trying something, but if you KNOW you can't do it, please do something about it, don't just keep queuing over and over ruining it for others. So I do understand the OP.