"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Izsha]

You might have a point if the game itself didn't say "Use the Duty Finder to enter [name]" for every single dungeon/trial you get. You can't blame players for doing what the game tells them to do and using DF.

If you create a party in PF, what menu do you enter the duty from?. Duty finder. If you create a full premade how do you initiate the fight. Duty finder menu.

The game tells you to use duty finder because that's the ONLY WAY to do it. Stop conflating duty finder with solo cue. Even premade use df. That's why the game tells you to use it. It's the name of the function to enter any and all instances in all circumstances.

think people.

[seekified]

OP makes some very good points. Nice one.

I'd like to take this one step further and say this: As a player in a group with seven other people, you also have some responsibility to ensure that the tools with which you play are up to par. By this of course I mean your Internet connections. If one person continually drags the others down because of a shite ADSL link that was bad when it was installed 25 years ago, that is not fair on the party. I know this is bringing real-life variables into the game and that many people have little control over these things, but still: If your connection is a detriment to the group, that is as good a reason as any not to run that content.

[XiXiQ]

"I was out of that" is complete bullshit

Actually, it's a very real problem - When you're playin

[Anna_Lannis]

Oh yeah, I'm being aggressive because people in FFXI play FFXIV expecting it to be different and not FFXI in a bright shiny package filled with nostalgia goggles and . Oh, I'm being a aggressive because OP is making the same argument everyone else is making, and pointing out some self-help books to seem wise and sagacious. "Hey look at me, I'm ARTSY!" Oh maybe I'm being aggressive because aggressive is a fancy sounding word politicians use to smear people?

I'd like to take this one step further and say this: As a player in a group with seven other people, you also have some responsibility to ensure that the tools with which you play are up to par. By this of course I mean your Internet connections. If one person continually drags the others down because of a shite ADSL link that was bad when it was installed 25 years ago, that is not fair on the party. I know this is bringing real-life variables into the game and that many people have little control over these things, but still: If your connection is a detriment to the group, that is as good a reason as any not to run that content.

THIS again. Why is it always one person against seven other people? One person is not always to blame. Just how many times in a group the same person over and over again? Most times its group A on mechanic X, and then next wipe is by person B and C on mechanic Y and Z. This isn't exactly the "growth" mentality OP is talking about, unless by "growth" mentality you mean, give everyone what they want and telling people what they want to hear, because its popular and that makes it the "right thing". One person against the group is another fortune cookie tactic. Next reply will involve words like "hard work" and "common sense".

[XiXiQ]

If your connection is a detriment to the group, that is as good a reason as any not to run that content.

Until such time you experience such issues out of your control.

and yes - the speed of light is out of everyone's control.

[seekified]

Until such time you experience such issues out of your control.

and yes - the speed of light is out of everyone's control.

My point stands - if your circumstances don't allow you to perform as required to clear a fight, then don't make that everybody else's problem. I'm not talking random disconnects and occasional freezelags here, we all have those - I mean people getting into Titan HM/EX with a connection that consistently puts them a full second behind reality. Yeah, it's a shame, but stuff can almost always be done to improve a connection and if not, well... I dunno. I guess I'm just very tired of having my own experience ruined by other people's technical issues.

[LTEvil]

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I'm sorry what? Between all your banter and you bringing up ffxi I'm not sure why you are this emotional.

This topic is about the OP expressing an opinion. This opinion is about how people in general view using duty finder.

The comment about internet connection had an if in it. "IF". I admire passion but you are just throwing out random commentary in a very stand-offish (is that a better mix of words for you) matter. My point is calm down and read.

[seekified]

THIS again. Why is it always one person against seven other people? One person is not always to blame. Just how many times in a group the same person over and over again? Most times its group A on mechanic X, and then next wipe is by person B and C on mechanic Y and Z. This isn't exactly the "growth" mentality OP is talking about, unless by "growth" mentality you mean, give everyone what they want and telling people what they want to hear, because its popular and that makes it the "right thing". One person against the group is another fortune cookie tactic. Next reply will involve words like "hard work" and "common sense".

I never said it is, all I meant is that it is my personal opinion that as gamers who play with and rely on other gamers we should ensure that our tools can do the job we need them to. People randomly screwing up mechanics isn't a problem, that's just how the game works and I'm fine with that as long as everyone tries to learn from it. When it becomes clear that one person's client is, as I said, a full second or more behind the server though, that is a problem that I do think that player should take responsibility for.

[LunaHoshino]

I guess I'm just very tired of having my own experience ruined by other people's technical issues.

There's an easy way to avoid that: don't use DF. Use PF and set your own rules. Otherwise, with DF, you get what you get, and sometimes that means you get a party that isn't capable of clearing the fight. That's just something you have to expect when you queue up for something via DF.

These days, just about every fight outside of Final Coil can be completed with a couple of people dead on the floor. One person failing at mechanics and dying shouldn't make that much of a difference, and if it does, that means the rest of the party probably isn't that great either.

[seekified]

There's an easy way to avoid that: don't use DF. Use PF and set your own rules. Otherwise, with DF, you get what you get, and sometimes that means you get a party that isn't capable of clearing the fight. That's just something you have to expect when you queue up for something via DF.

These days, just about every fight outside of Final Coil can be completed with a couple of people dead on the floor. One person failing at mechanics and dying shouldn't make that much of a difference, and if it does, that means the rest of the party probably isn't that great either.

Yeah, absolutely. That's usually what I do for anything that's not faceroll content. I just think that on some level it's kind of disrespectful to play networked games with bad network circumstances, but I know that's a harsh thing to say.