"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Anna_Lannis]

All I got from YOUR post is that you "time" is more precious than RL incidents. I mean yeah if something is an issue that happens repeatedly, it needs to be addressed. But that doesn't mean be abusive to people, and quite frankly, you still don't bring sociology BS into a video game. "People don't care WHY you failed..." this isn't customer service. If you wipe 1-2 times because of a baby or a doorbell ring, so be it.

tbh... I question the motivation behind this post. Just how many thread are we going to have complain that someone's RL interfered with getting you shinies. Those "failures" don't care about you any more than you care about them. Why should they? They have the same attitude you do. Don't PUG if you hate bad groups so much and don't stand their on your soapbox. No one is obligated to change themselves to help YOUR version of your idealized reality. tbh i think your just as much a failure if you can't get a good party if you want to come and preach for validation on the forums.

[Izsha]

If you wipe once because doorbell rings, and you say 'sorry doorbell, I'm good now' there is no difference between that and 'I lagged, I'm good now' 'cat jumped on keyboard, I'm good now' 'was getting a BJ, I'm good now' 'power flickered, I'm good now'.

The reason is irrelevant. The only important part is the 'my problem is fixed now' because if it is a continuous/reoccurring issue, then you are unable to perform your role. If you have some circumstance that prevents you from being a functioning member of a DF team and it doesn't stop, then you just dead weight. It's not the other 7 random DF peoples fault your router sucks or (insert any problem you have on your end). You aren't carrying your weight, so find a way to carry it or you are asking someone else to carry you. That's not evil. That's just truth. If you can't do your job, then you are asking other people to do it for you, regardless of the sob story of why you cant. The reason doesn't matter because the result is the same.

[Purrfectstorm]

All I got from YOUR post is that you "time" is more precious than RL incidents.

You're coming across as very aggressive to me. I'm sorry you've misunderstood my post(s) to such a degree. I will try again and address your points 1-by-1.

1) I don't think my time is more important than anyone else's. However, it IS important. I'm not asking for more respect, just a mutual respect. If I can't contribute because a RL thing came up or I'm lagging or whatever, I politely leave. I practice what I "preach." You won't find any hypocrisy from me on this subject. I try to be very fair-minded. I even give people multiple chances (and don't just kick them if they die once, for example).

2) This may not be customer service but the point still holds that people value you for what you can do for them (even if it's just that you make them feel good by being kind, for example). Most of the time, the people you get in DF are complete strangers. This means that they have a neutral opinion of you until you do or don't do something. Once you become the cause for the group's continued failure, their patience will begin to wear. This doesn't justify their being hostile to you. I don't think this is warranted and I have never advocated that in any of my posts. My point is just that this hostility is not arising out of nothing and you're letting your internal defender limit your growth both as a player and as a person if you reject every criticism out of hand as being just the attitude of an elitist jerk or troll.

3) The motivation behind my post was to share thoughts. I was not remotely upset when I wrote it. Yes my Titan DF group was bad but I actually didn't mind. I didn't go into DF expecting to one-shot (though this has happened before). I was just bored. I even stated in my OP that what happened just got me thinking. I realize that a good many people post threads/comments on here as an emotional response to something that happened but I was in a great mood when I started this thread. I just thought I had some useful insights that someone might benefit from. That was my only motivation. I was not expecting to change DF groups in any noticeable way. I thought some players might find my ideas cool. That's all.

4) I don't "hate" bad groups. I'm not trying to sound elitist. I'm not telling people to "get good." I'm not trying to "stand on a soapbox." Again, just trying to share ideas that I have found useful for my own personal growth. You're right that no one is obligated to change anything to suit my view of reality and I'm not trying to get them to. However, do I think it would be cool if something I shared helped someone be a better player or better person? Yes. I think that would be neat.

You've accused me of a good many things and you've made a lot of assumptions about me but the truth is that you don't really know me. You could give me the benefit of the doubt. After all, isn't that what you'd like me to do if you were to die to weight of the land over and over?