"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[seida]

Yes, lag exists for some people. But op is correct in saying in a df group,no one cares about the reason you're dying. If you are doing badly,you're doing badly. Making loud excuses does nothing. If you are a consistent detriment to a df group, the polite thing to do is leave.

I really appreciate that on jp servers, df is for clears, pf is for practice. Much less painful.

Similarly on watching videos, I don't expect anyone to do so for dungeons, they're simple to explain. But ex trials and coil? If you want to go in blind, make a pf. That's what I do and it's much more enjoyable. Doing otherwise is like you're asking for a carry. Doing something first time when everyone else knows what they're doing is not exactly an achievement...

[Purrfectstorm]

I really appreciate that on jp servers, df is for clears, pf is for practice. Much less painful.

This is interesting. I'm actually studying social work and learning about cultural differences. One of the things that has come up a lot is how American culture prioritizes the individual and Japanese culture prioritizes the needs of the group. It seems to me that this difference might explain the different perspectives on PF vs. DF. If you join a DF group AFTER knowing a fight, you are not going to burden others in your group (who may be very experienced). If PF is used for learning, then everyone else is either learning too or has agreed to pick up the slack for the players who are learning. Players on NA servers just queue up, totally clueless, lagging so bad they are of no use, and try to hold the rest of the group hostage via the penalty timer and refused vote abandons.

PS even if you aren't lagging when you queue, you know you're lagging after the 10th time of being "out of that" LOL Be kind and respectfully bow out if the group can't clear because of you. And never refuse vote abandons. People don't want to play with you and you can't nor shouldn't force them.

[Tyrn]

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It's also a much better use of your own time since with PF parties you can practice with people who are at the same part of the fight as yourself making all the time you spend practicing actually is useful. Using the DF to learn is a huge gamble with your time when you might know the fight up to the third phase but you keep getting grouped with people who make so many mistakes that the party never even gets into the second phase, making all the time you spent in the queue, clearing trash and fighting the boss a huge waste.

[SpookyGhost]

It's also a much better use of your own time since with PF parties you can practice with people who are at the same part of the fight as yourself making all the time you spend practicing actually is useful unlike using the DF to learn where you might know the fight up to the third phase of a fight but you keep meeting people who stumble and fail on the first phase so much that the party never even gets into the second phase making all the time you spent in the queue, clearing trash and fighting the boss a huge waste.

That is a very long sentence.

[Tyrn]

That is a very long sentence.

I ramble a lot at 4AM.

[LTEvil]

Yes, lag exists for some people. But op is correct in saying in a df group,no one cares about the reason you're dying. If you are doing badly,you're doing badly. Making loud excuses does nothing. If you are a consistent detriment to a df group, the polite thing to do is leave.

I really appreciate that on jp servers, df is for clears, pf is for practice. Much less painful.

Similarly on watching videos, I don't expect anyone to do so for dungeons, they're simple to explain. But ex trials and coil? If you want to go in blind, make a pf. That's what I do and it's much more enjoyable. Doing otherwise is like you're asking for a carry. Doing something first time when everyone else knows what they're doing is not exactly an achievement...

This, sigh western culture so disappointing sometimes. Oh well.