"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Eye_Gore]

you should watch a video or learn about a difficult fight before joining/queuing for groups. You should let other players know you are new.

I hate this mind set. I often wonder how did the first group doing Titan ever clear it without watching a video, and did they make a video while they did it so the second group could watch and so on?

I often see people in Titan say they are new and the most I usually see anyone say is "dodge stuff" while the MT or someone else is already pulling.

[Purrfectstorm]

I hate this mind set. I often wonder how did the first group doing Titan ever clear it without watching a video, and did they make a video while they did it so the second group could watch and so on?

I often see people in Titan say they are new and the most I usually see anyone say is "dodge stuff" while the MT or someone else is already pulling.

My mindset can be summed up as: do as much as you can to give yourself the best chance. Obviously, videos didn't exist for the first group to clear Titan so I think they can be excused from watching them Now the reality is that videos DO exist for most content for most people. While adhering strictly to a video limits innovative ways of clearing content, videos are very effective at demonstrating fight mechanics so you at least have an idea what to expect. As fights get more and more complex, the position of NOT expecting players to watch videos gets less and less tenable (T9 for instance). That being said, DF is totally random so I would completely understand someone who does not meet my high expectations (if watching a video first counts as such). However, knowing there is no realistic chance of winning if a person or persons did NOT watch a video, I would likely stay for a very short amount of time. I'm pretty sure this is not a benefit to the "I refuse to watch a video first" crowd.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

I hate this mind set. I often wonder how did the first group doing Titan ever clear it without watching a video, and did they make a video while they did it so the second group could watch and so on?

I often see people in Titan say they are new and the most I usually see anyone say is "dodge stuff" while the MT or someone else is already pulling.

Those first groups to clear it weren't in DF. They were in a group with friends who all understood they were new and learning the fight. Once a fight has been out for a while and you are using DF with 7 strangers it is polite to go in knowing what you are doing instead of holding back 7 other players.

[Eye_Gore]

Those first groups to clear it weren't in DF. They were in a group with friends who all understood they were new and learning the fight. Once a fight has been out for a while and you are using DF with 7 strangers it is polite to go in knowing what you are doing instead of holding back 7 other players.

Where would the world be without Youtube?

[Sapphic]

Those first groups to clear it weren't in DF. They were in a group with friends who all understood they were new and learning the fight. Once a fight has been out for a while and you are using DF with 7 strangers it is polite to go in knowing what you are doing instead of holding back 7 other players.

Funny thing is, first thing they do when they enter is ask what to do. So they refuse to read a guide yet expect others to write out a guide for them to read. Sense, it does not make any..... Also, what about those who enter with a language selected that they are unable to understand with no knowledge of the fight also?

They don't work out too well ^_^

[Yukariko]

"I was out of that" is complete bullshit, it's an excuse and it's a reason, I've been caught by it numerous times, so have friends, thing is, shit happens...

Things I learned to try and combat
the game checks your position every (insert number) point of a second, I think the game also force checks your position every time you perform a move, so don;t fire off a skill while running out of a WotL, i had a bard friend who would move and shoot and constantly die to WotL, until I told him stop performing moves while he ran, they still get tripped up but for the most part, problem was solved.
the other, (apparently) the game doesn't check your position if you jump, checks it on the ground before you jump and updates when you land.

I could be totally wrong on all them, but for the most part they seem to work on surviving the "i was out of that"

[XiXiQ]

"I was out of that" is complete bullshit

Actually, it's a very real problem - When you're playin

[BreathlessTao]

I hate this mind set. I often wonder how did the first group doing Titan ever clear it without watching a video, and did they make a video while they did it so the second group could watch and so on?

I often see people in Titan say they are new and the most I usually see anyone say is "dodge stuff" while the MT or someone else is already pulling.

Moreover: this whole "watch a video" attitude is just mind-boggling. Makes me think that people like that literally can't imagine a world without YouTube and Twitch and MrHappy and whoever else - that they can't imagine that videogames existed before the internet, and people were able to play and complete them. It was not that long ago, y'know?

How about turning the table instead? If you know you don't have the time/patience for any random screw-up, just don't use the DF. Regardless of the lack of official policy about it, everyone knows that absolutely anything can happen in a DF run. And knowing that, it's just stupid to complain about "noobs who can't even watch a video".
On a personal sidenote: I wholly resent the idea of being forced to watch 3rd party videos, when we're denied the opportunity to enjoy the game's own ones, at their designated places (yes, I mostly mean Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium, the kicks, the lockouts, the fighting and namecalling, everything that's been discussed to no end on here).

I just gave another try to Titan Ex myself, via DF, and - the group was not doing good. The question "everyone know what to do?" was asked at the beginning, but by the time anyone could even have started to type the answer, Titan was pulled. One of the tanks seemed obviously new to the duty, so after the first wipe, the other told him to "switch at 3" - and when we wiped a 2nd time, he went "i'm sorry warr but we have to kick you, you came at 2 stacks and that confused me". Vote dismiss initiated, and the poor guy was kicked. "That should teach him! " and "he was so clueless lol :P" ensued. And so I left too, because I voted no, because I didn't agree with it - the tank might have been clueless, but it was not only his fault we failed, some just couldn't dodge, and most people didn't even try stacking up, they were spread out like butter on a piece of toast. Anyhow, on one hand, yes, kicking someone who's obviously new and want to try, will really help them know the fight indeed, congrats on that logic. On the other hand, if you really are so impatient, like I said, just don't do DF. You're not forced to. If you want 15min speedruns to get your drop or cap your tomes, surely you have a group of people with the same goals whom you can do it with - faster, simpler, you don't get upset yourself and you don't aggravate others either.

[Purrfectstorm]

Moreover: this whole "watch a video" attitude is just mind-boggling. Makes me think that people like that literally can't imagine a world without YouTube and Twitch and MrHappy and whoever else - that they can't imagine that videogames existed before the internet, and people were able to play and complete them. It was not that long ago, y'know?

Again, I'll reiterate that it's not a "watch a video" attitude, it's a "use whatever tools are available" attitude. I'm 35 years old. I don't have to imagine a world without YouTube, I actually lived in it, you know? But I'm not averse to using new tools as they become available.

Also, you can't compare MMOs to other video games (or even modern MMOs to MMOs of the past). Fights are heavily mechanics driven and require the knowledge of said mechanics to clear AND you're playing with other people. What you do affects them too.

I agree that players can prepare (or not prepare) however they want for DF but there is an incentive for watching a video first. You will perform better and your group will be less likely to disband. If either of these things seems undesirable to you, then please, by all means, continue to be stubborn about not watching a video.

[Magusrex]

Titan Ex has been my Achilles heel. So I watched the videos, I have studied the strats I have come very close to completing it. I can't get group to stay together long enough. We make progress, but people bail then other do not want to wait. I am often the last man standing now but I did have to turn performance stuff(graphics) down until I achieved well over 60 FPS because I would move before everyone, be farther out than everyone but I would get hit. This was very frustrating, because I have exceptional situational awareness.

Tell me more about the jumping and actions. Jump from inside and land outside the poop? Casting an instant spell as soon as I am out of the poop a good thing? The thing is I have no lag, I don't stutter, I run 40 FPS in Mor Dohna with max settings on everything. I hate having to turn stuff down just to try and get through Titan Ex(but I do). Titan Ex is only problem I have had in this game avoiding a mechanic. Titan Ex also has the worst behavior I have witnessed in game, people often bail after one failed try and no one wants to even wait to allow me explain things to new people, they just go.

People also frustrate me as well. Don't show up to this with 4k hp, you have to play too perfect and MP is too precious to raise you over and over. If you are person who struggles to learn mechanics this is one fight that you should watch the video a number of times. It is not fair to everyone else to wipe over and over because of you. I know certain people learn better from trying, I get that, but I call complete BS from the people saying there is no benefit to knowing what is going to happen in each stage by watching a few different groups do it via youtube. Knowing what is going to happen before it happens is the key to succeeding at these fights. When you are proactive rather than reactive is key.

TLDR If you are a monster player, fine go in blind. If you try it and ruin the experience of 7 other people go study and show up well above the minimum gear next time.