"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Morbid]

I don't watch videos before I do any content in FFXIV. The furthest I'll go is looking up the best places to do LeveQuest at a certain level or where else I might find an item thats expensive on the MB. I have absolutely ZERO desire to go watch a YouTube video of someone completing a part of the game.

You might as well hire said streamer/YouTuber to play the game for you. It's the newer generation of gamers IMHO opinion without trying to offend who are seriously into watching content done before they actually attempt themselves. I could give leeway if you are stuck on a part and have genuinely exhausted your own knowledge to complete.

But you get no points from me if the first thing you do is look up content for handholding walkthroughs. It just seems so counterintuitive to gaming and challenging ones own skill.

To each there own but when folks talk about looking something up before I attempt or asking if I've watched a video I just 'LoL' with a No and that I'm not going to.

[SpookyGhost]

There's a difference between going into content blind with people who are also going into it blind (or know you are) and going into content blind with 7 random people. There is a level of expectation in DF for hard content, you will cause many many wipes by just going in completely blind and people are going to get sick of that when you could've just read a guide before going in. If you want to experience a fight first hand without needing a guide to tell you what to do, make a PF stating as such or go in with friends you know. Don't expect 7 random people to teach you the fight or put up with you, it's just not how things work.

[Eye_Gore]

If you want to experience a fight first hand without needing a guide to tell you what to do, make a PF stating as such or go in with friends you know. Don't expect 7 random people to teach you the fight or put up with you, it's just not how things work.

You could say the same to people who want a one shot kill. Besides almost every PF group I see with a new player pointing that out are almost always empty.

[Anna_Lannis]

You could say the same to people who want a one shot kill. Besides almost every PF group I see with a new player pointing that out are almost always empty.

This is the primary reason that people leech off of others in these fights, because no one wants to help. I don't blame people being "selfish" for wanted to actually do content and play the video game. Besides, how many beings do you know that can survive and improve their whole lives not at the expense of others?

P.S. I have absolutely no idea how to to the image/quote thing properly...

[SpookyGhost]

You could say the same to people who want a one shot kill.

You could, and you'd be right, but then why would either camp ever use the DF? JP servers use DF for clears and PF for practice. Why? Because there's an expectation that when you've entered a group with 7 random players, you aren't going to be there to waste anyone's time. The players with knowledge of the fight are going to perform at an average level and handle mechanics properly (or at least try to), thus either causing one or two wipes by a mistake of memorization or not causing a wipe all together. The new player, meanwhile, has no idea what mechanics will come in that fight and can easily cause so many wipes that the group disbands. Unfortunately, both types of players will enter DF, and there will be a conflict. There's nothing you can do to prevent it, it's a flaw within DF itself.

This isn't even really a problem with the players though, hard content where you can actually get the group wiped infinite times shouldn't be in the DF. This is largely a mistake on SE's part and, though I don't see it changing, I'd like for it to. Neither the experienced nor the inexperienced should be able to queue for stuff like Titan EX - they should have to make parties in PF for their preferred group comp and learn or farm the content from there.

P.S. I have absolutely no idea how to to the image/quote thing properly...

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[Anna_Lannis]

You could, and you'd be right, but then why would either camp ever use the DF? JP servers use DF for clears and PF for practice. Why? Because there's an expectation that when you've entered a group with 7 random players, you aren't going to be there to waste anyone's time.

Because this isn't Japan. If you want to play the JP way, then go to a JP server... but got forbid interacting with people we don't know while learning a fight because of OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME.

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I cannot believe I did not see that. Thank you.

[SpookyGhost]

Because this isn't Japan. If you want to play the JP way, then go to a JP server... but got forbid interacting with people we don't know while learning a fight because of OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME.

Not really understanding this argument tbh. Interacting with people and teaching them a fight is fine, but not everyone in the group is going to feel that way. Yeah, it'd be fantastic if everyone was nice and friendly, but are you going to go into DF expecting that? Even in a community like XI's (yeah yeah argue all you want about it, XI's community was pretty friendly) if you just walked up to 7 people and asked them for gil to buy something, only a few would give you it at best. That's essentially what you're doing, expecting 7 random people to cater to you. It's just... not going to happen. If, as an example, you're in a group with 7 new players, you happen to be the one who knows the fight, and you're extremely rude to everyone because they're new... then you're going to get kicked. Why is it different if someone constantly causes wipes and is then kicked because they don't know the mechanics?

It's really fundamentally wrong to go into DF and expect literally anything on NA servers (which is the problem), you could get anyone with any level of experience and any kind of attitude. They could be nice, they could be friendly, they could teach you the fight, or they could make fun of you every time you made a tiny mistake. It's random and holding all these people to a level of high moral standard is just not very smart.

Basically, it doesn't matter if you agree with random people in DF or not, whether you think they're right or wrong, they're going to exist. You can report them, you can try to get them vote kicked, sometimes that'll work sometimes it won't. DF shouldn't be for hard content and it's literally because of this. People hate RNG, right? This is the most annoying RNG you can put yourself through.

[Anna_Lannis]

People should *NOT* be PUGing high-level content. At least not expecting wins/loot/etc. Anyone who goes into a random party with expectations is asking for it.

It's really fundamentally wrong to go into DF and expect literally anything on NA servers (which is the problem), you could get anyone with any level of experience and any kind of attitude. They could be nice, they could be friendly, they could teach you the fight, or they could make fun of you every time you made a tiny mistake. It's random and holding all these people to a level of high moral standard is just not very smart.

That's the whole point of having a DF in the first place. To experience random people you would not have any experience with. You know, because MMO...

[SpookyGhost]

People should *NOT* be PUGing high-level content. At least not expecting wins/loot/etc. Anyone who goes into a random party with expectations is asking for it.

S'my point, yeah.

That's the whole point of having a DF in the first place. To experience random people you would not have any experience with. You know, because MMO...

Correct, and I think DF is fantastic for 4man dungeons and the HM primals, however rolling the dice on hard content (EX/Coil) just isn't going to end well for you no matter how experienced (or inexperienced) you are. :V

[Morbid]

Failure comes along with success. What would folks do if FFXIV was like the old Everquest and old school MMO's where you literally had to prep for 30 minutes before you even stepped out of the town.

Too much emphasis on relying on video walkthroughs. If you watch them that's cool for you; if you don't even cooler.

And how is being a video watcher being an elite I'd think that would fit more with players who have tried and failed who have tasted both sides of success and failure and eventually succeeded on their own terms. (Withstanding a complete carry of course)

So if you watch a video before attempting something you should complete it first shot every time and be able to carry all the lackluster non-video watchers