"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Able]

I appreciate the sociology lesson. However, it's just a video game. A lot of people take it far too seriously for my tastes. And that's coming from someone who has T13 on farm. Combine that with the anonymity that the Internet provides and you're left with some of the biggest douchenozzles ever.

[Caoihmin]

needs to work on his sphincter clenches.

You had me at "sphincter".

[seida]

Yes, lag exists for some people. But op is correct in saying in a df group,no one cares about the reason you're dying. If you are doing badly,you're doing badly. Making loud excuses does nothing. If you are a consistent detriment to a df group, the polite thing to do is leave.

I really appreciate that on jp servers, df is for clears, pf is for practice. Much less painful.

Similarly on watching videos, I don't expect anyone to do so for dungeons, they're simple to explain. But ex trials and coil? If you want to go in blind, make a pf. That's what I do and it's much more enjoyable. Doing otherwise is like you're asking for a carry. Doing something first time when everyone else knows what they're doing is not exactly an achievement...

[Purrfectstorm]

I really appreciate that on jp servers, df is for clears, pf is for practice. Much less painful.

This is interesting. I'm actually studying social work and learning about cultural differences. One of the things that has come up a lot is how American culture prioritizes the individual and Japanese culture prioritizes the needs of the group. It seems to me that this difference might explain the different perspectives on PF vs. DF. If you join a DF group AFTER knowing a fight, you are not going to burden others in your group (who may be very experienced). If PF is used for learning, then everyone else is either learning too or has agreed to pick up the slack for the players who are learning. Players on NA servers just queue up, totally clueless, lagging so bad they are of no use, and try to hold the rest of the group hostage via the penalty timer and refused vote abandons.

PS even if you aren't lagging when you queue, you know you're lagging after the 10th time of being "out of that" LOL Be kind and respectfully bow out if the group can't clear because of you. And never refuse vote abandons. People don't want to play with you and you can't nor shouldn't force them.

[seida]

This is interesting.

Yeah. Obviously this doesn't apply to dungeons, and there will still be new players who join ex primals sometimes, but on the whole it's true. DFing titan ex is smooth 90% of the time I would say.

But also, I don't mind new players DFing if they have put effort into researching it. It's the "it's my first time so I want to go in blind, like you're meant to experience it!" while completely ignoring that essentially the other players will be carrying you and youp experience won't be "genuine" anyway.

[Elmeron]

... You do realize there is an actual delay between client and actually moving?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0bMV6BVJSU

Go to 1:00

There is some truth to this... I have broadband internet with a beast of a gaming rig, and even I have experienced the occasional (and all too annoying) experience of definitely having gotten out of the way of AOE in time, and still somehow being hit by that said AOE.

[Buff_Archer]

Had a landslide I was well to the right of take me out in Titan HM well after I'd completed it enough to be more than capable. So I'm dead and I type, 'Sorry bout that, I was well outside that by the time it casted so I must be lagging some.' And toxic BLM was like, "Yeah right lol, you were lol in it on MY lol screen! (lol)". So I told him- 'Yeah obviously! If you aren't lagging and I am, we're going to see different things at the same time, that's why you got to dodge the landslide but I only saw it after it was too late.'

I remember T2 when they'd have Bards Silence the ADS for High Voltage which was really stressful in that you had to alternate turns since they came quicker than your silence cooldown sometimes, and I would be on edge when my turn was coming up because I didn't want to blow it on the wrong ability or have it go too late if having to spam as a GCD Interweave. So there I was once with a PF group, my turn coming up and I backed off DPS a tad bit so soon as I the cast bar started I used silence and it went off but it didn't stop it, and we got hit with High Voltage before cast was done and everyone yelled at me over not paying attention, etc. Someone at least told them they'd seen me do it several times before. But yeah next time happened too, we figured out that the cast bar was showing for me right about as the cast was actually finishing so even early on the cast on my screen was too late. I told them they should find a replacement who's not experiencing lag right then, as it was extremely frustrating for me (more so than anyone else there not on receiving end of problem I'm sure) and it would just hold back their progress. So we left on good terms and there ended up being maintenance and it got better. But being in a situation where you don't have the same info at the same time as others, to your detriment... totally sucks. How people react can make the difference between having a bad experience and having a horrible one.

[Tyrn]

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It's also a much better use of your own time since with PF parties you can practice with people who are at the same part of the fight as yourself making all the time you spend practicing actually is useful. Using the DF to learn is a huge gamble with your time when you might know the fight up to the third phase but you keep getting grouped with people who make so many mistakes that the party never even gets into the second phase, making all the time you spent in the queue, clearing trash and fighting the boss a huge waste.

[SpookyGhost]

It's also a much better use of your own time since with PF parties you can practice with people who are at the same part of the fight as yourself making all the time you spend practicing actually is useful unlike using the DF to learn where you might know the fight up to the third phase of a fight but you keep meeting people who stumble and fail on the first phase so much that the party never even gets into the second phase making all the time you spent in the queue, clearing trash and fighting the boss a huge waste.

That is a very long sentence.

[Kyandeisu]

It's funny how many people will link those exact 'year old' videos knowing that the positional server response has improved by a huge margin since then.
Those aren't proof, it's about time to stop linking them.

The problem is, the improvement hasnt been that great, and some of us are still suffering terribly of the server response lag.
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This was taken about a few months ago, at the time I was alive on the bottom still,but the second I took the screenshot was a second too late and the server finally updated. No its not my connection, which makes it even more frustrating. Yes I could switch over to the japanese servers which are closer to my location, but I still get this terrible server lag when I do. I actually gave up being a tank as a main job due to this crap as so many times I knew I was clear out of the way in plenty of time, just the server did not update. Now I am maining as a dps but have given up on clearing titanEX as with the slow updating of the server position makes it impossible.


The thing that this thread has erked me the most is claiming its an excuse. Yes there may be some that use it as an excuse for them screwing up, but for those of us who have tried everything to improve on the situation but fail to see any real progress are not using it as an excuse. The crappiest thing of all is, during beta and for the first few months up till the housing patch there was NO LAG, seriously like none, it was so freaking wonderful and gameplay was so smooth. Now its just getting worst, and worst, each patch it only gets worst and it sucks. Yeah I could quit the game due to this, but I love the game and still manage to do other things in game, just I cannot do the extreme stuff like titan becuz it will not allow for any sort of lag.