"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Purrfectstorm]

I really appreciate that on jp servers, df is for clears, pf is for practice. Much less painful.

This is interesting. I'm actually studying social work and learning about cultural differences. One of the things that has come up a lot is how American culture prioritizes the individual and Japanese culture prioritizes the needs of the group. It seems to me that this difference might explain the different perspectives on PF vs. DF. If you join a DF group AFTER knowing a fight, you are not going to burden others in your group (who may be very experienced). If PF is used for learning, then everyone else is either learning too or has agreed to pick up the slack for the players who are learning. Players on NA servers just queue up, totally clueless, lagging so bad they are of no use, and try to hold the rest of the group hostage via the penalty timer and refused vote abandons.

PS even if you aren't lagging when you queue, you know you're lagging after the 10th time of being "out of that" LOL Be kind and respectfully bow out if the group can't clear because of you. And never refuse vote abandons. People don't want to play with you and you can't nor shouldn't force them.

[Tyrn]

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It's also a much better use of your own time since with PF parties you can practice with people who are at the same part of the fight as yourself making all the time you spend practicing actually is useful. Using the DF to learn is a huge gamble with your time when you might know the fight up to the third phase but you keep getting grouped with people who make so many mistakes that the party never even gets into the second phase, making all the time you spent in the queue, clearing trash and fighting the boss a huge waste.

[SpookyGhost]

It's also a much better use of your own time since with PF parties you can practice with people who are at the same part of the fight as yourself making all the time you spend practicing actually is useful unlike using the DF to learn where you might know the fight up to the third phase of a fight but you keep meeting people who stumble and fail on the first phase so much that the party never even gets into the second phase making all the time you spent in the queue, clearing trash and fighting the boss a huge waste.

That is a very long sentence.

[Tyrn]

That is a very long sentence.

I ramble a lot at 4AM.

[LTEvil]

Yes, lag exists for some people. But op is correct in saying in a df group,no one cares about the reason you're dying. If you are doing badly,you're doing badly. Making loud excuses does nothing. If you are a consistent detriment to a df group, the polite thing to do is leave.

I really appreciate that on jp servers, df is for clears, pf is for practice. Much less painful.

Similarly on watching videos, I don't expect anyone to do so for dungeons, they're simple to explain. But ex trials and coil? If you want to go in blind, make a pf. That's what I do and it's much more enjoyable. Doing otherwise is like you're asking for a carry. Doing something first time when everyone else knows what they're doing is not exactly an achievement...

This, sigh western culture so disappointing sometimes. Oh well.

[seida]

This is interesting.

Yeah. Obviously this doesn't apply to dungeons, and there will still be new players who join ex primals sometimes, but on the whole it's true. DFing titan ex is smooth 90% of the time I would say.

But also, I don't mind new players DFing if they have put effort into researching it. It's the "it's my first time so I want to go in blind, like you're meant to experience it!" while completely ignoring that essentially the other players will be carrying you and youp experience won't be "genuine" anyway.

[Buff_Archer]

Had a landslide I was well to the right of take me out in Titan HM well after I'd completed it enough to be more than capable. So I'm dead and I type, 'Sorry bout that, I was well outside that by the time it casted so I must be lagging some.' And toxic BLM was like, "Yeah right lol, you were lol in it on MY lol screen! (lol)". So I told him- 'Yeah obviously! If you aren't lagging and I am, we're going to see different things at the same time, that's why you got to dodge the landslide but I only saw it after it was too late.'

I remember T2 when they'd have Bards Silence the ADS for High Voltage which was really stressful in that you had to alternate turns since they came quicker than your silence cooldown sometimes, and I would be on edge when my turn was coming up because I didn't want to blow it on the wrong ability or have it go too late if having to spam as a GCD Interweave. So there I was once with a PF group, my turn coming up and I backed off DPS a tad bit so soon as I the cast bar started I used silence and it went off but it didn't stop it, and we got hit with High Voltage before cast was done and everyone yelled at me over not paying attention, etc. Someone at least told them they'd seen me do it several times before. But yeah next time happened too, we figured out that the cast bar was showing for me right about as the cast was actually finishing so even early on the cast on my screen was too late. I told them they should find a replacement who's not experiencing lag right then, as it was extremely frustrating for me (more so than anyone else there not on receiving end of problem I'm sure) and it would just hold back their progress. So we left on good terms and there ended up being maintenance and it got better. But being in a situation where you don't have the same info at the same time as others, to your detriment... totally sucks. How people react can make the difference between having a bad experience and having a horrible one.

[seida]

Mind if I ask where you are?

Not everything is down to connection as has already been explained. I am on a JP server and get zero lag, and my connection isn't particularly great. If the servers were that bad everyone would get lag, but that's not the case.

[Kyandeisu]

Mind if I ask where you are?

Not everything is down to connection as has already been explained. I am on a JP server and get zero lag, and my connection isn't particularly great. If the servers were that bad everyone would get lag, but that's not the case.

im in singapore. but i am aware not everything is down to connection as not everyone has issues with this. But i was simply putting that claiming it was "just an excuse" is ridiculous as there are some pplz that this is the legit case. And I know its partly due to my location which cannot be helped since I had moved from america to here right before the game came out of closed beta.

[LunaHoshino]

Titan EX is a terrible example to use for anything not just because of issues with server-client positional update lag, but also due to graphical lag as well. I have Coil up through T10 and all of the other EX Primals on farm and yet I can't clear Titan EX because Weight of the Land cuts my framerate in half and causes massive graphical lag that I can't always dodge even if I start moving as soon as the cast bar starts. There is literally nothing I can do about this-- I turn my graphics down to the absolute lowest settings and it still happens. There isn't a single other fight in the game that gives me issues the way Titan EX (and sometimes even HM) does. I've had other friends say they experience the same problem, some on PC and some on PS3. Most of them are also in Final Coil, so it's not an issue of "git gud." It's a legitimate problem with the way the fight is designed.