"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Kyandeisu]

It's funny how many people will link those exact 'year old' videos knowing that the positional server response has improved by a huge margin since then.
Those aren't proof, it's about time to stop linking them.

The problem is, the improvement hasnt been that great, and some of us are still suffering terribly of the server response lag.
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This was taken about a few months ago, at the time I was alive on the bottom still,but the second I took the screenshot was a second too late and the server finally updated. No its not my connection, which makes it even more frustrating. Yes I could switch over to the japanese servers which are closer to my location, but I still get this terrible server lag when I do. I actually gave up being a tank as a main job due to this crap as so many times I knew I was clear out of the way in plenty of time, just the server did not update. Now I am maining as a dps but have given up on clearing titanEX as with the slow updating of the server position makes it impossible.


The thing that this thread has erked me the most is claiming its an excuse. Yes there may be some that use it as an excuse for them screwing up, but for those of us who have tried everything to improve on the situation but fail to see any real progress are not using it as an excuse. The crappiest thing of all is, during beta and for the first few months up till the housing patch there was NO LAG, seriously like none, it was so freaking wonderful and gameplay was so smooth. Now its just getting worst, and worst, each patch it only gets worst and it sucks. Yeah I could quit the game due to this, but I love the game and still manage to do other things in game, just I cannot do the extreme stuff like titan becuz it will not allow for any sort of lag.

[Purrfectstorm]

The thing that this thread has erked me the most is claiming its an excuse.

Excuse: To explain (a fault or offense) in the hope of being forgiven or understood; try to justify.

Claiming lag is the reason you're failing, true or not is literally an excuse by definition.

I've said this multiple times in this thread but I'll repeat yet again: I never said that lag is not real. Only that players have to work harder if you can't do your part and in some cases it will be impossible to get a clear if all players can't do their part. Nobody really cares whether your lag is real or not. If you're dying over and over, you're screwing up the run. That your lag is real actually makes the problem worse because there is no reasonable expectation that you might suddenly lag less i.e. you're not going to be any more helpful if your party members are patient with you.

I can empathize with players who have lag troubles. I still don't want them in my party and neither do most other players. Raging in party chat, being really vocal how you were out of every aoe really accomplishes nothing. It's not that players don't believe you. THEY. JUST. DON'T. CARE.

This is entirely your opinion. Some people actually care.

I believe that excuses (explanations or reasons, if you prefer) ring hollow both in the real world and in game. The prime concern of most people is whether you can deliver. I think this is generalizable to 99% of people you will ever meet. I'm willing to admit a very small percentage might actually be like "Oh you're lagging? Why don't you just stay in the lava pit and we'll get this for you." LOL (did I mention it's a VERY small percentage?). But if it makes you feel better allow me to rephrase: I DON'T CARE.

[Lilyarel]

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"Work Harder"? You saw the 2 videos. What else could they have done to avoid that? In the video I demonstrated, he was the first one to start moving. Youre blaming people for something thats out of their control. Yes, its an excuse. But it doesnt mean its not valid. Thats like saying, "Well its your fault a plane crashed on your ISP's servers and cant play anymore." Theres nothing more irritating than clearly avoiding something and the server giving you the finger and getting hit anyway. It defies all your gaming skills.

[Lilyarel]

It's funny how many people will link those exact 'year old' videos knowing that the positional server response has improved by a huge margin since then.

Those aren't proof, it's about time to stop linking them.

It doesnt matter. The server issue is still there. I had one a couple months ago with Titan. Clearly out of the AOE, still get knocked off.

This is proof. Its about time to start accepting it.

[Jamein]

When all else fails, blame lag.

Then ask, what would Brian Boitano do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNJmfuEWR8w

[Clarkamite]

When all else fails, blame lag.

Then ask, what would Brian Boitano do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNJmfuEWR8w

Did you say Ryan Denehy????

[Catwho]

The "I was out of that!" I think is less of an excuse and more of a complaint against the software not recognizing player movement in the expected manner. Fights like Titan Ex are not tolerant of lag.

One trick that a FC mate taught me - and this goes along with your "growth" mindset - is that if you make a sharp right angle and run parallel to the landslide or WotL immediately after exiting the ground AOE area, it forces the server to update your position faster than if you keep running in a straight line. I don't know whether it's true or not, but I do know that if I have that half second to make the sharp turn, that meant I exited fast enough to escape the ground AOE.

The biggest flaw that the XIV community has is lack of communication. This really became evident in the number of times people have failed Steps of Faith. Some groups with good communication rolled in and beat it on the second or third try. Others took a dozen or more tries in Duty Finder to find a group capable of communicating properly. Having a growth mindset doesn't help you clear content when the other 7 people are in the fixed mindset and not able to understand your instructions....

[Purrfectstorm]

Having a growth mindset doesn't help you clear content when the other 7 people are in the fixed mindset and not able to understand your instructions....

Sometimes all you can do is find another group of 7 people

Also, just to clarify: I'm not saying lag doesn't exist. Only that other players don't care that you're lagging. Everyone wants to clear content and if you're a liability, for whatever reason, people want you out of their group. There are ways of dealing with lag other than forcing other players to do the lion's share of the work:

- Learn ways to compensate (e.g. moving right when Titan turns around, before WotL or LS animation)
- Wait for a time when the lag is less severe to clear that piece of content
- Form a group that doesn't mind working harder because of your lag (e.g. your FC)
- Get a better internet provider or switch to a closer server
- Petition SE for easier and/or more lag forgiving fights
- Play a different game

The last is extreme but the alternative to all of these options is to become used to player hostility towards you for holding groups back.

[CYoung187]

The "I was out of that!" I think is less of an excuse and more of a complaint against the software not recognizing player movement in the expected manner. Fights like Titan Ex are not tolerant of lag.

One trick that a FC mate taught me - and this goes along with your "growth" mindset - is that if you make a sharp right angle and run parallel to the landslide or WotL immediately after exiting the ground AOE area, it forces the server to update your position faster than if you keep running in a straight line. I don't know whether it's true or not, but I do know that if I have that half second to make the sharp turn, that meant I exited fast enough to escape the ground AOE.

Another tip is to perform some sort of action as you exit. As a dragoon the first thing I do after getting out of a weight or landslide is throw my spear. Then the server has to log that action and position.

[Lilyarel]

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Pretty much this. Steps of Faith is rather easy if people just cooperate. And someone is going to have to step up and be the "leader" and that person might have to be you.