"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[Gardes]

Because you *ARE* being a shallow arsehat. People join DF because without DF we'd be shouting for hours. DF is there to make a party for you. If you don't like noobs, don't party with noobs. Don't want to party with noobs, then don't use DF, make your own party or join an raiding group. If you want to down difficult content, you need a static group. If you can't find a static group because of TIME... maybe 1) raiding content isn't for you, because raiding content wasn't meant to be done and 2) you are the one that sucks and no one will raid with you.

And this is why NA DF is trashy. People acting like only players who have clears and filters their PFs are allowed to make PFs like it's some kind of monopoly. Learning and progression parties in PF? "Ain't nobody got time for that! People like us shouldn't be made to wait! Every concession has to be made so that we can get into instances and press buttons randomly asap!". Go ahead and lay claim to the DF for people like you and treat any urging to play decently or bow out gracefully like some kind of invasion to your last bastion and achieve less than your betters.

Bragging about speed run healing...Ha!

[LunaHoshino]

And this is why NA DF is trashy. People acting like only players who have clears and filters their PFs are allowed to make PFs like it's some kind of monopoly. Learning and progression parties in PF? "Ain't nobody got time for that! People like us shouldn't be made to wait! Every concession has to be made so that we can get into instances and press buttons randomly asap!". Go ahead and lay claim to the DF for people like you and treat any urging to play decently or bow out gracefully like some kind of invasion to your last bastion and achieve less than your betters.

Bragging about speed run healing...Ha!

You might have a point if the game itself didn't say "Use the Duty Finder to enter [name]" for every single dungeon/trial you get. You can't blame players for doing what the game tells them to do and using DF.

[Izsha]

You might have a point if the game itself didn't say "Use the Duty Finder to enter [name]" for every single dungeon/trial you get. You can't blame players for doing what the game tells them to do and using DF.

If you create a party in PF, what menu do you enter the duty from?. Duty finder. If you create a full premade how do you initiate the fight. Duty finder menu.

The game tells you to use duty finder because that's the ONLY WAY to do it. Stop conflating duty finder with solo cue. Even premade use df. That's why the game tells you to use it. It's the name of the function to enter any and all instances in all circumstances.

think people.

[LunaHoshino]

Your first mistake is expecting easy clears via DF. DF is where most players go to learn fights because that's what the game tells them to do. Enter pretty much anything with DF and 90% of the time you'll get at least one "Hi, this is my first time here" comment from someone. Sometimes things go well! And sometimes they don't. But the most important thing is that the players who are just learning the fight have as much of a right to be there as you, so if you can't deal with that fact, go make a PF to your specifications.

Also, watching a video only does so much to prepare you. You can know what the mechanics of a fight are but not know how to respond to them until you've actually - wait for it - been in the instance for yourself and seen how the fight works.

[seida]

Sigh, can we clarify please? I don't want or need anyone to prepare for story content - dungeons, hm primals etc. That should be done blind, and that's great.

But yes, I find it polite to TRY and prepare for ex primals and coil. Will I throw a fit or insult them? Of course not! If they are willing to learn, I'm happy to help. But that seems to be the minority. I'm just tired of first timers silently hoping for a carry, because they don't seem to be interested in learning the fight, they just want their clear.

[Anna_Lannis]

OP, you are the one who decided to come on the internet a make a post, and whether or not it had the intended effect or not, this is what you did: You went to PUG in the DF. The DF you choose to do, for whatever reason, was Titan EX. Titan EX is a fight many people have problems with because people have issues with the server, they know the fight, they move when they are suppose to, but they get hit anyway. Yes, people will use lag as an excuse, but that's the way life is. 1) You are asking people to adjust to a game design flaw. In today's world, that simply isn't tolerated. 2) Most people don't really have a problem dodging AoEs, but when I go into a private instance with 8 people and one monster I don't expect to lag if I don't in the open world. 3) This is the internet, and every post, no matter how thoughtful, well researched and logical it sounds to you, its going to be looked at by millions of people... when you put something on the internet, it is there forever. You make a decision to post something controversial on the internet and didn't expect 13 pages of people arguing about who is in the right and who is in the wrong. That's what the internet is for. All of your sociology doesn't work because of how you put the information to use. You can't expect to throw around bibles, creeds, and morals around and not start an argument.

TL;DR welcome to the internet. welcome to politics

[Anna_Lannis]

The OP still fails to understand not everyone agrees with her. The biggest issue I have is the way she made her point, and the way she acted on the information.

[Perzeval]

If you know you have lag issues (temporary or just for a specific fight), why bother entering DF being a dead weight to the group? Are people really that ignorant and selfish nowadays? If you put up a PF and ask directly for a carry your clear chances are probably higher than getting carried in Titan EX using DF...

[PrimeEvilPanda]

[LTEvil]

Come on, that's not fair.

You can't skip over the whole thread and expect us to read your opinionated garbage.

Omg I finally finished his book. It was a good read. If you are in to Ffxi. That's mainly what he keeps referring to. And what's his deal? He so aggressive. Was he in the party that open is talking about? Does he even know what this thread is about? Remove char limit invoke reading skill test to post. Bye Felicia.