"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[XiXiQ]

If your connection is a detriment to the group, that is as good a reason as any not to run that content.

Until such time you experience such issues out of your control.

and yes - the speed of light is out of everyone's control.

[seekified]

Until such time you experience such issues out of your control.

and yes - the speed of light is out of everyone's control.

My point stands - if your circumstances don't allow you to perform as required to clear a fight, then don't make that everybody else's problem. I'm not talking random disconnects and occasional freezelags here, we all have those - I mean people getting into Titan HM/EX with a connection that consistently puts them a full second behind reality. Yeah, it's a shame, but stuff can almost always be done to improve a connection and if not, well... I dunno. I guess I'm just very tired of having my own experience ruined by other people's technical issues.

[LunaHoshino]

I guess I'm just very tired of having my own experience ruined by other people's technical issues.

There's an easy way to avoid that: don't use DF. Use PF and set your own rules. Otherwise, with DF, you get what you get, and sometimes that means you get a party that isn't capable of clearing the fight. That's just something you have to expect when you queue up for something via DF.

These days, just about every fight outside of Final Coil can be completed with a couple of people dead on the floor. One person failing at mechanics and dying shouldn't make that much of a difference, and if it does, that means the rest of the party probably isn't that great either.

[seekified]

There's an easy way to avoid that: don't use DF. Use PF and set your own rules. Otherwise, with DF, you get what you get, and sometimes that means you get a party that isn't capable of clearing the fight. That's just something you have to expect when you queue up for something via DF.

These days, just about every fight outside of Final Coil can be completed with a couple of people dead on the floor. One person failing at mechanics and dying shouldn't make that much of a difference, and if it does, that means the rest of the party probably isn't that great either.

Yeah, absolutely. That's usually what I do for anything that's not faceroll content. I just think that on some level it's kind of disrespectful to play networked games with bad network circumstances, but I know that's a harsh thing to say.

[XiXiQ]

I guess I'm just very tired of having my own experience ruined by other people's technical issues.

What you're ACTUALLY tired of is SE's crap programming that gives no regard to the fact that some people are further away from the server than you are. Try blaming the actual cause, rather than the people who have to put up with it day in and day out.

[Gardes]

What you're ACTUALLY tired of is SE's crap programming that gives no regard to the fact that some people are further away from the server than you are. Try blaming the actual cause, rather than the people who have to put up with it day in and day out.

Titan ex, levi ex, or any other 'die when you're out of bound' fights including t5/9/13 can be beaten with 300 ping (while also not being a dead weight). I've probably played in a worse place than you considering I had the great firewall of china to deal with. My ping couldnt go any lower than 280 but on stable days, I expect myself to be able to tackle those fights without struggle. You should be able to too. If dodging those mechanics are actually RNG on a regular basis, it's your ISP, not SE.

[XiXiQ]

[QUOTE=Gardes;2909040]If dodging those mechanics are actually RNG on a regular basis, it's your ISP, not SE.[/QUOTE}

There is a difference between lag (packet loss, which looks like rubber-banding or stop-starting) and latency (ping times - smooth play, but not properly synced AOEs, actions, etc). Lag is generally an ISP routing issue, and for most, it's intermittent. I have only seen it very rarely. Those times it's not just in a dungeon, it's very annoying and most of the time I just log off.

The fact latency comes into play IS SE's fault. It's directly related to distance from the server, there is no magic bullet to fix it like "get another ISP" and they should have coded accordingly. My very first post on this did include a simple way SE can mitigate it even with server-side processing. My main bugbear is the with "oh, it doesn't happen, and if it does happen it's not SE's fault anyway" crowd. It certainly does happen, and SE certainly can do something about it, and they should. That works out well for everyone.