Thread: Give PLD In-Combat Raise? (3.0?)

Originally Posted by Ditto

Yes sorry I was mixing up Eye and Path lol. The one that never needs to be touched, if it isn't needed would be Path.

Also, solo tanking T13 as War has been attempted by I believe it was Xenosys, and as far as I'm aware, even he couldn't do it. Perhaps it'll be easier now with the Echo, but pre-echo, it just hasn't been done, and there IS a reason for that.

And stoxastic, no, I wont be going and playing a Pld, but I'm also not going to praise Inner Beast like it's the king of all mitigation just because it can be used 'frequently'. It's a great skill for what it is, and it's big for Warriors sure, but too many people give it too much credit as if it's all a Warrior ever needs, and that just because they have it, they don't need to be looked at, at all anymore. Getting really tired of seeing the "But you have Inner Beast!" argument coming up anywhere War tweak stuff is mentioned.

Except solo tank T13 as WAR has been done pre-echo, and it doesn't look any more difficult than on PLD. They even had a faster clear time: http://www.twitch.tv/sartii/v/4082936

Inner Beast is amazing because it's the same mitigation as Rampart, but you have it for every big hit along with one of Vengeance/Thrill of Battle/Foresight/Convalescence. You have at least an equal (sometimes stronger, but also shorter duration) equivalent of every PLD cooldown except Hallowed. IB = Rampart. IB+Vengeance = Sentinel. IB+Thrill isn't directly equivalent to Bulwark, but will mitigate around the same amount on one hit. The one advantage PLD has over WAR is Hallowed, but that only gets used twice and it's definitely not required, especially since WAR's cooldowns are much shorter so you'll have them all for the first, third and fifth Akh Morns, unlike Sentinel's 180s and Bulwark being useless.

Originally Posted by Launched

Except solo tank T13 as WAR has been done pre-echo, and it doesn't look any more difficult than on PLD. They even had a faster clear time: http://www.twitch.tv/sartii/v/4082936

Figured it'd be Layla Bell, he's a really great WAR. Good stuff.

So when would a tank be able to raise people uninterrupted while doing its job?

A tanks role is to prevent your party dyeing and control the mobs it should not have raise
Because people should not be dyeing if tank is doing its job.

What pld do need however is a emergency cover all skill to be linked with hallowed ground
making party immune to most things for 10 secs.

Originally Posted by radioactive_lego

My feeling is that it would give some parties a more realistic "second chance" if a healer got dropped, by allowing the PLD to:
/ac "Hallowed Ground"
/ac "Raise" <2> (assuming 4-man pt)

Waste of Hallowed Ground imo. Also, the second tank could tank it off the PLD and the PLD could cast raise, but if both healers are down who is doing the healing? You have no MP when you come up from a Raise.

This seems like a pointless addition to the combat.

besides, both healers dead is as good as a wipe. sure you raised 1 healer but then they dont have enough mp, let alone time, to raise the other without the pld who raised dies. unless you have healer lb3 ready but relying on lb is very situational that it's not practical.

again, i will stand firm that i'd rather consider making our cures more potent and threatening as it is just fair as a means to conserve tp and utilize mp while maintaining the image of being healer friendly. they should at least do that as when the paladin is healing, he does zdps(zero dps).

This game already has plenty of in combat rezzes, most other mmos that I have played at least, only have 1 per encounter. Between the 2 healers, and the lvl3 healer limit break you can continue to get a failing raid member up. The only real limit being the sickness mechanic. In 4man groups I can see the advantage but it would imo be op for raids. And not something that is honestly needed in a 4man imo.