Thread: Give PLD In-Combat Raise? (3.0?)

Originally Posted by Verdan

Considering I was the only one who said it, I figured that it's a simple balance fix for lowing the cast time. Since you guys have Riot Blade I figured a quick expenditure of a lot of mana to save an emergency situation would be balanced, just as long as you had some left over and didn't have your tank drained.

Thought I saw it twice X_X regardless, it's already eating half our mana, a flash takes 212, and a stance change takes 266. Riot blade or not, raise is over 750, even without an increase we can only do 2 oath changes or 3 flashes, without building piety. Increased mana cost to compensate for the reduced cast time would take it roughly 1k, lowering our available mp pool to 462. That's is either 2 flashes OR a stance change. If someone dies, and we have to raise, we are now screwed. Any truly great pld will stance dance. What if you die, I'm in sword oath, and after the cast, an add spawns? That means I have to change oaths, watch you fie while the gcd is going, hit the add with an ineffective move threat-wise, just to move along in my combo, by which time dps have already attacked it. Sure, I could provoke, but unless I already have RoH up, it's useless really, because I can't flash, because no mp due to raise+shield oath. I have now effectively killed more people than I saved

Well aesthetically considering my cross class actions are "beast" (WAR) like actions minus Stoneskin I would have to agree. I mean because of the WAR actions you can actually add better damage and raw survivability but that is more "primal" "dark" focus which is not a PLD. However I then look at SMN and realize that 3/5 of my actions are arrow based with 1 that is almost entirely useless. Then you can take a look at SCH who has access to shields and offensive magic both of which complement their cosmetic design. Take a turn backwards looking at BLM which, in theory, should be a pure offensive magic set gets ACN actions that are on the opposite side of the spectrum (healing/shielding).

I don't even have 5 cross class actions selected for WHM and WAR gets more damage reduction (though being HP based in nature)/aggro tools. DRG, BRD and NIN's cross class actions mostly fit their theme with MNK being close to them with a damage reduction when, in theory again, they have more of a dodge theme like NIN.

So I can definitely see the need to add to the cosmetics/class specific functionality of PLD and am not against more additions but PLD is definitely not alone in its quirkiness regarding cross class actions.

Originally Posted by Superskull85

I don't even have 5 cross class actions selected for WHM and WAR gets more damage reduction (though being HP based in nature)/aggro tools.

I sometimes crossclass a DoL skill like prospect just to confuse others xD

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

I can think of several occasions in endgame dungeons and content where taking 8 seconds to raise a healer or even a bard or summoner would have prevented a wipe and the need to start the fight over again.

That's questionable considering limited mp pool (which you may need mp for other duties like adds), your taking hits which can interrupt your swiftcastless raise easily, then it takes a moment for the healer to recover mp to even be combat ready, assuming the bard has mp and is capable of doing ballad at that moment. Your still looking at least 15-30 seconds of hard downtime which is usually all it takes to wipe, even if you manage to recover that can also mean significant dps loss on all ends from other potential deaths or enragement timers.