Highest DPS vs most fun

[Ephier]

Clearly you haven't seen what good bards can do.



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Interested to know how the BRD did 590. That is very good.

[OneWingedSora]

Interested to know how the BRD did 590. That is very good.

That's not my group. I am assuming some really lucky procs. Even so, 540-570 should still be the average for any good Bard on T10 with similar kill times(A number which I have yet to see Summoners do).

[Spoekes]

Even so, 540-570 should still be the average for any good Bard on T10 with similar kill times(A number which I have yet to see Summoners do).

Feel free to bash my for my ignorance, but 540-570 as average for "any good BRD", seriously?

[OneWingedSora]

Feel free to bash my for my ignorance, but 540-570 as average for "any good BRD", seriously?

At high level play, yes. Those are the numbers Bards should be pushing.

[Craiger]

At high level play, yes. Those are the numbers Bards should be pushing.

I'm no expert on BRD, but I highly doubt that's what's expected from them...

Are you talking about T10 for those numbers? cause I hate when people use T10 for any real valid DPS comparisons... BRD's can get very high DPS in T10.

This is a pretty good spreadsheet of DPS number: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=722665224

As you can see, the one you posted had higher DPS on T10, but after all, look at Lucrezia getting 700 on BLM in there...

For the other turns I think it's pretty well covered. So the best result for T11 for example, are 532 DPS.

Maybe you'll see some people getting the numbers you say, but saying everyone should get that every run, doesn't sound right.

Those numbers in that spreadsheet are the highest those people have ever got too, which means lots of crits and other lucky things...

EDIT: and on the point of being lucky... That's probably why SMN falls behind when you do spreadsheets like this. SMN start out high, fall down to their usual DPS, then it's all just a sustain of DPS that doesn't vary too much. BRD can get much higher spike runs.

[OneWingedSora]

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The reason why Lucrezia's BLM got 700 DPS on T10 was because they stack the adds. I got 595 on T10 using the normal method.

Also, aside from Team Eevee, the rest of DnT groups DPS aren't really anything special. There are higher DPS groups out there.

[Craiger]

The reason why Lucrezia's BLM got 700 DPS on T10 was because they stack the adds. I got 595 on T10 using the normal method.

Also, aside from Team Eevee, the rest of DnT groups DPS aren't really anything special. There are higher DPS groups out there.

I know what Lucrezia did, I just said that as an example of how that turn can be interpreted wrong. I just meant, you can multidot the adds as a BRD, which shoots up the DPS like yours did... That's not fair for comparing DPS. Only SMN can really benefit that way in T10.

You're missing my whole point with your statement: "There are higher DPS groups out there"... I'm trying to get down to earth, and talk about what you should expect from a good player, not what the best of the best players in the world can get.

I started playing as MNK some weeks ago, and while I can still improve a ton, I'm getting good DPS according to what most players think. If I get 570 DPS in T10 (MNK's don't really benefit from the adds), which is my highest number so far, I think that's pretty good... not record breaking by any means, but good enough.

I think it's right to expect a MNK to be able to get 550+ DPS in a fight like T10, but to expect people to get 600+ DPS is absurd... Which is kinda what you're doing with BRD right now. Just because you and some other best of the best on BRD can get consistent 550 DPS on BRD, doesn't mean you can expect it from everyone.[/QUOTE]

EDIT: One more important note... From all those higher BRD parses, there has been a DRG in the party, which increases your DPS considerably. Another thing you have to consider

[Dextro]

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I get where you're coming from in that saying 'any good BRD can average that' wasn't the best choice of words to describe those numbers.
It's more like 'this is what BRD can achieve at the highest level of play'.

That said though, Kairi did say that BRDs with groups that achieve kill times such as those can usually hit those numbers, which is true.

I think the keyword here is 'groups'.
What's often overlooked is the incredibly high level of skill, coordination and group synergy that goes into every single individual's best parses for a turn - they did not lone wolf it and achieve it themselves.

Drop the best players of any respective class into a final coil PUG or even a 7/8 static that does things differently than they're used to, and they won't even come close to the inflated 'averages' set by the community.

[Coltvoyance]

Parroting the "monk top dps lulz" dogma doesn't necessarily make it true.
The best monks are not necessarily able to perform better than the best ninjas, especially outside of a dummy scenario.

Here's the facts though people,

On paper Monks are touted as top DPS, but it's such a close race unless its on a PERFECT dummy scenario. And thats the key factor. Monk can out-dps when conditions are perfect. When was the last time any fight gave anyone perfect conditions?

But moreso, when you get right down to it, everybody knows that the amount of effort that goes into playing Monk perfectly is WAY more than other classes; its exhausting. And yet for all the exhaustion, they BARELY eak out a better DPS score than say, a Ninja. And in many fights, Monk is forced out of commission (by losing GL3) MANY times (ala Turn 9) simply by battle mechanics that they cant control.

Monk needs a fix.

tldr;
Effort =/= Reward for Monk