Highest DPS vs most fun

[Craiger]

When I said MNK > NIN > DRG, I meant Average sustained DPS in a perfect scenario

The spreadsheet showed above, is in Final Coil, and unless all of them do the fights 100% perfect, or at least exactly same as the others, those numbers are meaningless.

From my experience, both NIN and DRG have bigger DPS swings during a fight, and depending on different outcomes, while MNK is pretty stable throughout the fight. When people show DPS, they usually take the highest numbers they have ever seen, which won't vary much for MNK, while it certainly will for NIN and DRG

Another thing, while I don't know how it affect the parse exactly, but if you take T10 for example, there are adds phases, which is not a perfect scenario.

If we are to really test who's highest, we would have to do it on a dummy parse that's like 6+ mins IMO, so you would have to have a BRD/NIN around to help with TP, and another STR based DPS (otherwise NIN gets extra DEX bonus). If that's done many times, then I could believe something like NIN being higher than MNK.

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Of course, and on a dummy I might struggle to keep up. Still, I don't know any i130 NINs so I really couldn't say for myself. As for non-perfect scenarios, if you take T10 for instance, for melees it's all about getting the add phase "right" if you want to keep your DPS above a certain threshold. For me, that threshold has been 500 when measured over the entire fight, but now that I've discovered the beauty of target lock (yeah, two years into the game and I've never used it!) I'm going to have to raise that a little, I imagine. Assuming party DPS is high in T10, I can finish the fight without TP assistance so I'm less dependent on my beloved bards there. DRG output takes a bit of planning, but as long as I always have Phlebotomize and CT on any target and Disembowel on my main target, my damage output will be fairly consistent throughout the fight.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Them using LB3 and losing their stacks is warranted in my opinion.

[Houston009]

However, NIN can produce the same numbers whilst buffing Raid DPS and Goading the MNK to allow him/her to maintain DPS.

EDIT: In what turns is the MNK doing that DPS?

[KikoriL]

Couldn't tell you. "His" group, not mine. Dunno when I implied Coil is the only thing we ever run; only that he's clocked at constant 600+, spikes upwards of 650+, and nary a NIN or DRG coming close when I personally witness it.

[Houston009]

So the 650+ DPS you mentioned previously was based on a spiked DPS mark, and not overall?

NIN and DRG not "coming close", when their spike damage is way higher than MNK's. You need to meet the good Ninjas and Dragoons lol.

Also, Coil is the only place where it matters to optimize your comp, anything outside of that isn't taken into consideration when most of it is "/faceroll".

Not trying to say MNK is bad or useless, just that it is no longer the "highest dps" in all relevant content.

[Craiger]

So the 650 DPS you mentioned previously was based on a spiked DPS mark, and not overall?

NIN and DRG not "coming close", when their "spike" damage is way higher than MNK's. You need to meet the good Ninjas and Dragoons lol.

Also, Coil is the only place where it matters to optimize your comp, anything outside of that isn't taken into consideration when most of it is "/faceroll".

Not trying to say MNK is bad or useless, just that it is no longer the "highest dps" in all relevant content.

That's just the thing, DRG and NIN have very high spike damage, and if you took the average of like 10+ runs, would NIN and DRG actually be on top of MNK? or is everyone just taking the highest parse they have every got?

Also, like I've said earlier, dummy parses that's shorter than 6 mins or something, doesn't really matter, because DPS could still be dropping/increasing after 4 mins or whatever. Most fights are longer than that anyways(unless you're overgeared and in Lucrezia maybe)

On the topic of Lucrezia... They are incredible players, but why is their MNK parsing so "low"? I don't have BiS, and I'm not the best on MNK yet, but I thought someone of that caliber would get at least 600 DPS in T10, and not like 580. Their NIN isn't getting the crazy 650 DPS people say they get. They're doing the AoE strat, and I'm not sure how much/if they use any AoE on NIN and MNK, but their DPS should at least not be lower than a normal run.

I still aren't convinced MNK is behind DRG, maybe behind NIN, but either way, I really hope MNK is buffed in 3.0...

It doesn't really matter who is highest DPS, because unless MNK is way above NIN, NIN wins on overall DPS... Trick Attack gives you like 1,6%(?) extra total DPS for your raid, which might not sound like much, but with the DPS people do right now, that's easily 40+ DPS that you can add on top of NINs normal DPS.

I can't really make a statement about DRG and their BRD buff, because I'm not sure on the % damage increase (actual increase) BRD gets... and who knows if BRD always will be in the party in 3.0.

Dragon Kick is nice and all, but Trick Attack can give NINs like 6%+ DPS, and that's not counting the groups that can get really high overall DPS. Trick Attack isn't just that easy to calculate extra DPS, I know... but MNKs need to at least have 3% higher ST DPS than NIN in 3.0, to make it balanced IMO

[Spoekes]

My main class is BRD and well if you know how to Play BRD you are not the end of the dps chart. I don't like it that everyone declines BRD as a supporting class.
A good equipped and well played BRD is also a good DPS!

You don't need to take a personal insult in it, a good BRD is relative close to the other DPS, but there is gap.
I challenge you to google for "FCOB parse" and browse though the results.
Of course you may be able to nitpick some fights that favor BRD for its uptime, mutlidotting or whatever, but at the end of the day it is intend for BRD to do slighty less than other DPS.

No matter how good of a bard you are, if the other DPS are at the same level, you will be the lowest(Unless there is a SMN in the party).

unless it was a joke: yay for fighting myths with myths!

[OneWingedSora]

unless it was a joke: yay for fighting myths with myths!

Clearly you haven't seen what good bards can do.



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[Ephier]

Clearly you haven't seen what good bards can do.



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Interested to know how the BRD did 590. That is very good.