Highest DPS vs most fun

[seekified]

I have never seen a NIN out-DPS me when I play dragoon. Monks, occasionally, but never a ninja. Maybe I've just not met the right ninjas yet, but yeah.

Despite not having a MNK myself, I do feel that their GL stacks should be tweaked somewhat - as it is now, I hear it's very difficult to LB3 without losing your stacks. That just sounds too harsh. I don't mind being on LB duty in my static, but I think it's unfair to the monks.

[OneWingedSora]

I have never seen a NIN out-DPS me when I play dragoon. Monks, occasionally, but never a ninja. Maybe I've just not met the right ninjas yet, but yeah.

Yeah, you need to play with better NINs.

[Ephier]

Yeah, you need to play with better NINs.

Cosign. NIN>=DRG>MNK. MNK is just outclassed right now with gear scaling in the favor of NIN and DRG.

[KikoriL]

Cosign. NIN>=DRG>MNK. MNK is just outclassed right now with gear scaling in the favor of NIN and DRG.

Not sure if baiting.

[Ephier]

Not sure if baiting.

I am not joking. People are constantly repeating MNK is highest DPS, just because that is what they see when they search information about DPS all the time. With the introduction of NIN in 2.4 and DRG buffs in 2.45, the melee balance was evened out. Now that gear is so easy to come by, people are decked out in BIS setups and it has been proven, that MNK has indeed been dethroned as DPS king. I am not saying MNK is a bad class or anything, I am just saying at the current point in time with current gear, NIN and DRG are stronger than MNK. Even in terms of utility, as DK is not and never was necessary to complete content. Disembowel and Trick Attack increased raid DPS and improve overall burst on targets that need to disappear. Currently MNK is losing out in terms of utility (debatable, I have been lucky enough to have two good healers who can deal with lack of DK even during progression) and DPS. MNKs high risk, high reward play style is not able to keep up with the low risk of DRG and NIN. I really hope MNK is improved upon in 3.0.

[KikoriL]

Uh... huh.

Yeah, you need to play with better NINs MNKs.

[CGMidlander]

Uh... huh.

Parroting the "monk top dps lulz" dogma doesn't necessarily make it true.
The best monks are not necessarily able to perform better than the best ninjas, especially outside of a dummy scenario.

[KikoriL]

Having partied with a 600+ DPS MNK quite a bit recently (650 when we're all being tryhards), it wasn't so much parroting as just waiting for something substantial. It's not a number I see people hit much outside dummies.
"Substantial", however, came since my posts from the very same MNK mentioning he's most likely keeping his lead in his coil group explicitly because the resident NIN doesn't weave potions into his fights. Hasn't been tested, but if he's willing to say it about his own DPS being passable, I'll believe it.

[Coltvoyance]

Parroting the "monk top dps lulz" dogma doesn't necessarily make it true.
The best monks are not necessarily able to perform better than the best ninjas, especially outside of a dummy scenario.

Here's the facts though people,

On paper Monks are touted as top DPS, but it's such a close race unless its on a PERFECT dummy scenario. And thats the key factor. Monk can out-dps when conditions are perfect. When was the last time any fight gave anyone perfect conditions?

But moreso, when you get right down to it, everybody knows that the amount of effort that goes into playing Monk perfectly is WAY more than other classes; its exhausting. And yet for all the exhaustion, they BARELY eak out a better DPS score than say, a Ninja. And in many fights, Monk is forced out of commission (by losing GL3) MANY times (ala Turn 9) simply by battle mechanics that they cant control.

Monk needs a fix.

tldr;
Effort =/= Reward for Monk

[OneWingedSora]

Uh... huh.

That's funny, given I have played with some of the best MNKs in this game, if not the best.

When I see MNKs doing 640 on T10-11, I will gladly say I am wrong.