[dev1032] Current Affinity System

[Spuffin]

To Spuffin,

You must level a job to 50, especially a Disciple of War, for the following reasons:

1) AP to use all of the abilities you got from other classes as well as the level II weapon skills from the 50 class.
2) Ability to hit NMs.
3) To not get killed in one shot by NMs.

My Archer is 22 right now. You are correct by saying I can use Cure II, Siphon MP, Raise, Feint, Second Wind, Bloodbath (true in my case). However I would not have much room for any Archer abilities at this point. Instead I assign Archer buffs and weapon skills, and maybe one or two abilities from other classes (Cure II and Invigorate). To do what you are saying would require I attain a high rank on Archer. Even then, I would want the relevant break skills for NMs, and would be too busy trying to build TP to do much else.

Also recall that on Archer my spells will all be single target and weak. Invigorate is on a longer cooldown and also weaker. If I were to level Lancer to a high rank for Invigorate II, then honestly I feel I deserve to use it for all the hours I would have put in toward it.

Dude. Give me a good reason why I should level lancer to 50 when all of its best abilities are 1-20. You will have not much room for you abilities because apparently you can fit as many as you need at 50.

It also takes away the class unuiqness in which this game allows you to use lancer weapon skills and archer weapon skills and so on and so forth on every class. That's boring and not fun I am given no intensive to take any class to 50 let alone use Wide Valley on my Pugilist...

Now why would I want to take Archer to 40+ to use Wide Valley II on my Pugilist...

[Abriael]

Dude. Give me a good reason why I should level lancer to 50 when all of its best abilities are 1-20.

Even if it was true, that's not a problem with class affinity. The problem is where the abilities of the class are located in the level progression.

Identifying the actual problem is the first step to solving it, instead of randomly attacking a completely unrelated mechanic.

[Blitz0309]

Even if it was true, that's not a problem with class affinity. The problem is where the abilities of the class are located in the level progression.

Identifying the actual problem is the first step to solving it, instead of randomly attacking a completely unrelated mechanic.

It is still a valid point. If you need to take every class to 50 just to get certain abilities to be the ultimate character then the armory system is nothing more than a time sink in the first place. Its going to be ffxi all over again except people won't say you're a gimp because of your gear its going to be because you don't have X job to Y level and using Z skills on your main.

How can you be so damn blind to see that its a half assed system as it sits?

[Abriael]

It is still a valid point. If you need to take every class to 50 just to get certain abilities to be the ultimate character then the armory system is nothing more than a time sink in the first place. Its going to be ffxi all over again except people won't say you're a gimp because of your gear its going to be because you don't have X job to Y level and using Z skills on your main.

How can you be so damn blind to see that its a half assed system as it sits?

Unfortunately not agreeing with you doesn't mean being "blind". Despite what you seem to think, you're not the prophet of the ultimate truth.

You forgot the rather important thing that no matter how many abilities you have. No matter how powerful, you're still limited by stamina and time.

If an ability is made less effective and situational by a lowered class affinity, it will never be indispensible.

The whole purpose of the affinity system is to make your main class ability generally more useful than cross-classed ones, while cross-classes ones should be for support and versatility, not a prerequisite.

[Alicia_WM]

You forgot the rather important thing that no matter how many abilities you have. No matter how powerful, you're still limited by stamina and time.

I think an even bigger limitation is AP costs. You simply cannot equip all of these abilities at once.

[Spuffin]

I think an even bigger limitation is AP costs. You simply cannot equip all of these abilities at once.

With the abilities I had listed.. at 50 yes you can. Oh and they might raise the level cap.

[Griever]

Dude. Give me a good reason why I should level lancer to 50 when all of its best abilities are 1-20. You will have not much room for you abilities because apparently you can fit as many as you need at 50.

It also takes away the class unuiqness in which this game allows you to use lancer weapon skills and archer weapon skills and so on and so forth on every class. That's boring and not fun I am given no intensive to take any class to 50 let alone use Wide Valley on my Pugilist...

Now why would I want to take Archer to 40+ to use Wide Valley II on my Pugilist...

A good reason to rank lancer past 20....um..
1 - Skewer II (Incapacitation)
2 - Ferocity II(Dmg boost)
3 - For tanks, maybe collusion/diversion
4 - Twisting Vice(Incapacitation / Wipe enemy TP)
5 - Invigorate II(TP+)
6 - Comrade in Arms II

If those are not enough reasons..I don't know what you're looking for..

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