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    Complaining about connection problems? It's be extremely well documented how much of that has nothing to do with Square. I love how people always blame square instantly with zero regards to the massive load of poor American internet infrastructure between them and the servers.

    Your faith was already low if these are your snap reactions.

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Oh, definitely. It's not something that has happened once or twice, it happens quite frequently.
    It doesn't matter if it happens frequently or not (despite the fact it helps players sometimes too and they REALLY like to forget about those moments) The problem is those roles aren't unique to you. The game isn't rolling the dice 4 times in a row solely for you. The same RNG system is rolling the dice for thousands of people at a time. It cares not for your streak. It cares not for what number you rolled last. Each roll is unique and unrelated to the last and your rolls were just one in the hundreds of thousands of rolls. Were the odds low to fail that synth. Yes, but not impossible to fail. RNG is RNG and people REALLY like to forget that really simple basic concept. If it's not a 100% chance of success then there is a chance it will fail. The failure is the users for failing to ensure a non-zero result. The game in no way shape or form goes extra special out of it's way to screw players. All I see is more people here who clearly don't have any knowledge of basic statistics and random distributions continuing to spread poor information around like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    All I see is more people here who clearly don't have any knowledge of basic statistics and random distributions continuing to spread poor information around like this.
    Well, thank you so much for your amazing contribution to this thread. I think we are all fully aware that if it's not 100%, there's a chance of failure. Based on your rude, condescending attitude, you must consider yourself the foremost expert on video game RNG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Well, thank you so much for your amazing contribution to this thread. I think we are all fully aware that if it's not 100%, there's a chance of failure. Based on your rude, condescending attitude, you must consider yourself the foremost expert on video game RNG.
    The thing is, Tiggy is 100% correct, there are many people in this topic making comments about statistical probability who do not understand even the basic elements of probability. RNG is RNG, probability is probability, truth is truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    The thing is, Tiggy is 100% correct, there are many people in this topic making comments about statistical probability who do not understand even the basic elements of probability. RNG is RNG, probability is probability, truth is truth.
    Yup, they just can't handle reality for what it is and get mad that someone has to point out the simple truth of it. Gambler's fallacies abound.

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Well, thank you so much for your amazing contribution to this thread. I think we are all fully aware that if it's not 100%, there's a chance of failure. Based on your rude, condescending attitude, you must consider yourself the foremost expert on video game RNG.
    Go study statistics. It's a high school level class. It's not that hard. Don't blame me because you don't understand it.

    You might find
    Gamber's Fallacy
    and
    Bayes Theorem
    to be particularly relevant and enlightening.

    Additionally we have this.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2310334

    The post by Camate, a Square representative, detailing their process a bit. This post was specifically made in response to poor statements about the rng like you and others continue to make.

    You may not like what I have to say, but it doesn't change it's accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    The game in no way shape or form goes extra special out of it's way to screw players. All I see is more people here who clearly don't have any knowledge of basic statistics and random distributions continuing to spread poor information around like this.
    You clearly have not had the RNG i have had then... just saying
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    Even on Excalibur they have gone back to the teleporting underground ways...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niurok View Post
    Even on Excalibur they have gone back to the teleporting underground ways...
    What this tells us is that there is no process in the game to check teleport coordinates, nor anything to check that the teleport request is legitimate. Coordinates under the surface geometry really need to be flagged so anyone using them can get banned, and teleporting to a target location without use of something like the Eternity ring to 'port to your partner should also be a red flag. I really can't understand why this issue has not yet been fully addressed. The same is true of all the position hacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niurok View Post
    Even on Excalibur they have gone back to the teleporting underground ways...
    Saw this yesterday in fact just south of Fallgourd, I was amazed to see two in sync doing it.
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    You can't come and say that at some point all players have the same amount of good or bad luck, that would be completely false. Some can have constant good luck while others not so.
    Yes RNG is RNG but it does in fact favour some players, not by choice but just how the system is
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    Don't tell me what I do and do not understand. I never posted one comment in this thread that indicated I was trying to spread bad/incorrect information about RNG.

    My post was based solely on the experiences I've had in this game. If you don't like people posting about experiences they've had in game, you should not be part of a public forum.
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