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    Doctor Zuse
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    Raid locks gone in 3.0? Possible negative consequences to statics...

    Additionally, unlike the Coil of Bahamut, players will be able to re-enter a floor in Alexander even if you have cleared it (similar to the Crystal Tower). You will be able to challenge it as many times as you wish until you obtain the item that you want. Also, even if you Need on an item, you will still be able to help others with the progression of Alexander.
    Is SE eliminating the point of having a static? Statics couldn't be bothered spamming CT until every member gets loot...it'll be every member for themselves. Or...if your static survives, how can you justify not spamming the same turn 8+ times until everyone gets their piece of weekly loot?

    I seriously hope this is only for Alexander Normal Mode, i.e. casuals. If this applies to Alexander Hard Mode, it will be a disaster for the raiding community, shifting focus from weekly clears of content to weekly loot for individuals...in other words, from a team-oriented goal to an individual-oriented goal.
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    Bombastica Davion
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    This is a boon to LSs/FCs with social members who play MMOs as social games, and a catastrophe for statics who want to log in once a week, bang away at end game content, and go do something else.

    As someone in the former, I'm stoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyniaer View Post
    Now that you've been sufficiently called on the carpet; your move, rhetorical, flatulent, fustian, gaseous, gassy, grandiloquent, oratorical, orotund, windy, bloated, elevated, florid, flowery, grandiose, highfalutin (also hifalutin), high-flown, high-sounding, inflated, lofty, ornate, pompous, pontifical, pretentious, stilted, tumid, turgid; overdone, verbose, wordy - BOMBASTIC.

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    Cidel Paratonnerre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombast View Post
    This is a boon to LSs/FCs with social members who play MMOs as social games, and a catastrophe for statics who want to log in once a week, bang away at end game content, and go do something else.
    This so much.

    "Oh no, the cliques who run 4 turns with eachother every reset now have the ability to run it with other people."

    Personally, I'm looking forward to the removal of the excuse "I cleared that turn for the week already "

    -And it turning into "I got my drop from it for the week, ask someone else" in FCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    A general observation:

    The largely negative attitude towards "raiders" on these forums is mind-boggling to me...A) because it exists, and B) because people find raiders to be acceptable targets.Since when did running Coil preclude players from being social gamers and active within their own FCs? The only arguably antisocial behavior that I've personally observed or practiced myself is choosing not to spend time carrying players who want to skip all intervening content and jump straight to getting end-game clears without actually needing to learn how to do it (I'd say that's what run selling is for), which is very different from helping self-motivated, active learners, of which I don't currently know very many who aren't now in my static or in someone else's already.
    It's not that statics are inherently anti-social (Though many are, with members found through PF that only talk during specific times). Its that this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cidel View Post
    the excuse "I cleared that turn for the week already "
    ...Is a thing, and its a problem for social group who can't divide themselves by 8. Now, if you have a FC of say, 13 people, you can all start running together, instead of telling 5 people to go find someone else, or making raids a race to see who hits the join party button first.

    I don't see much hate aimed toward statics in here. Just aimed at people who want to keep their 8 man groups together, and damn everyone else.

    As for the drops thing, I'd actually be ok with people getting their gear locked after one run, even if you didn't get anything, but still being able to run Alexander. I just want to be run with all my friends whenever their on, not the 7 fastest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyniaer View Post
    Now that you've been sufficiently called on the carpet; your move, rhetorical, flatulent, fustian, gaseous, gassy, grandiloquent, oratorical, orotund, windy, bloated, elevated, florid, flowery, grandiose, highfalutin (also hifalutin), high-flown, high-sounding, inflated, lofty, ornate, pompous, pontifical, pretentious, stilted, tumid, turgid; overdone, verbose, wordy - BOMBASTIC.

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    I think it's only a problem for run sellers. But that's none of my business
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    Mewt Naeun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    I think it's only a problem for run sellers. But that's none of my business
    ^ HA! Good form Sir! Oh man I am lolzing... too true too true. Glad someone said it before me.
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    Living life one day at a time~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee View Post
    ^ HA! Good form Sir! Oh man I am lolzing... too true too true. Glad someone said it before me.
    I don't see why.
    It means I can sell top content 100 times a week, instead of once.
    Also means I can gear quicker, to sell sooner.
    Unless that's somehow a negative.
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    Kazuma Mishamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    I don't see why.
    It means I can sell top content 100 times a week, instead of once.
    Also means I can gear quicker, to sell sooner.
    Unless that's somehow a negative.
    It's raining gil, hallelujah, it's raining gil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
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    Because some (if not most of them, and "some" being the nice ones) are jerks asking insanely high prices for the turns.

    But putting that aside, why would it affect them ?

    Because once a content isn't locked anymore, it loses about 80-90% of its value on average (T9 clears fell from 100m to 15m on 2.4 patch day) thanks to the fact that the run sellers don't have to "free" a spot with someone who doesn't get a chance to loot this week. Also, it allows more groups to offer their services, naturally decreasing further the prices.


    Not even counting the fact that on unlocked content, people aren't forced to come down to buying runs in order to find competent enough players. There are plenty who just happen to already have a static, thus can't play with everyone they'd like to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
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    Because once a content isn't locked anymore, it loses about 80-90% of its value on average (T9 clears fell from 100m to 15m on 2.4 patch day) thanks to the fact that the run sellers don't have to "free" a spot with someone who doesn't get a chance to loot this week. Also, it allows more groups to offer their services, naturally decreasing further the prices.
    As someone who has made millions of gil per day, selling runs. I can tell you the money is in the unlocked content.

    The occasional locked content buyer sale might be more gil in 1 run, but the whale is the guy that buys 20 farm runs.

    The trick is to be able to 7 man the fights before any other groups.
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